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> I don't particularly like the ads, but I understand they are needed to sustain many businesses (either online or elsewhere.) Would I prefer alternative paymen
by Gentil 5y ago
> I don't particularly like the ads, but I understand they are needed to sustain many businesses (either online or elsewhere.) Would I prefer alternative payment methods? Maybe, depending on the publisher, and the price of the content.
The problem is not the ads but the way it is produced (Behavioral ads). The issue is always behavioural ads and not contextual ads. Duckduckgo has been profitable for so long with contextual ads. And not to mention, contextual ads which doesn't depend on lucrative data practices and privacy invasive tech has been proven to be much more effective than behavioural ads. Good read on it - [1][2].
Also, how is reactive ads (behavioural ads) useful to a user? Just think for a sec. Unless they are listening to everything you say which is ludicrous levels of privacy violation practice followed Google, FB and Amazon RIGHT NOW... behavioural ads are useless to many many topics and use cases. By the time you get a behaviour based ad, you would have stopped looking for it, found the item. And even when they are fast enough, after many hurdles of being reactionary, THE AD NEEDS TO APPEAL to the person. This again ignores the fact that users don't buy stuff based on behaviours but based on ratings and reviews from Yelp, Amazon, youtube reviewers and other influencing factors like ME! I am the tech nerd who helps my entire family and friends with purchases on electronic items like smartphones, computers and other items. And I know how to teach people to buy things by going through reviews and what not. Nothing I do is in favour of Behavioural ads. Meanwhile just by being proactive, contextual ads are more likely to be more appealing to user cos it depends on NOT YOUR BEHAVIOUR but behaviour of everyone who have searched the term/item. This means the ads are tested to work on more people IMO.
Also, behavioural ads miss the point that humans have strong opinions on things. But also that humans change their opinions from time to time. I might move from iOS to Android or vice versa. Behavioural ads also miss that a lot of the purchases are rare purchases and once in a life time purchases. So reactive ads based on my behaviour could be useless. Sure, you might be able to sell something based on this particular rare purchase. But why risk the resources wastage, data privacy and data breaches? This is not in favour of the user at all. Contextual ads are more effective in all the above scenarios than behavioural ads.
Behaviour data is not that effective to SELL ADS. But you can offset all these risks and ineffectiveness by selling your data to thousands of third parties or governments even. THE DATA ECONOMY MAKES BEHAVIOURAL ADS SUSTAINABLE. The data economy needs to stop. That is it. NOT ads. Ads have been present in media and everywhere else long before Google was there, nobody was up and arms about them, were they? They were annoying, yes. But not threatening like it is now.
[1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/opinion/facebook-google-privacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/opinion/facebook-google-p...
[2] - https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-extra-value-for-online-publishers-study-suggests/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-... (Thanks user iou)
PS: Writing this as a separate response (Instead of a reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29357427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29357427) cos I don't want this to be tucked away from other users. There will be more people who sympathise with ads but miss the point of behavioural ads vs contextual ads.
- fendy3002 5y agoWell google don't sell behavioral ads to user, they sell to companies. Without extensive knowledge and experience, companies executives are more likely to lean for behavioral ads even it's more expensive or inefficient. And behavioral ads can show conversion metrics, which higher ups like to see, even though we/they don't know whether the conversion is really correct.
- Gentil 5y ago> Well google don't sell behavioral ads to user, they sell to companies. Without extensive knowledge and experience, companies executives are more likely to lean for behavioral ads even it's more expensive or inefficient. Yes. Third parties === companies if you have read my entire comment. Now that you mention this... if you are like me and read privacy policies, you know that there is nothing stopping a company/third party to sell those data that they got from Google to another third party. And in turn that third party to another third party in an endless chain. We have no idea. There are no laws and policies in places except the policies that are set out by companies like Google, Facebook and Amazon (Ironically these are policies set out in place IN RESPONSE TO THEIR THIRD PARTY GETTING HACKED OR MAYBE SUPPLY CHAIN ATTACKS). This means your behavioural data is like covid. It can be spread to endless entities. Not the initial number of people Google sold the data to. This means... Google sells to 100 entities -> Those of the each hundred entities CAN share/sell this data to 100 entities each and on it goes. These are 100's and 100's of companies apart from their practices (shady or otherwise) which needs to protect your behavioural data from getting hacked and data breaches. And for what? Because I searched "What is NFT?" ? Ridiculous and wasteful.
- jsnell 5y agoExactly what data do you think Google sells about you, and to whom?
- iou 5y agoExactly. On the subject of contextual vs behavior based, it was sad that summary of this study was we gave up all that privacy for just 4% improvement ); https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-extra-value-for-online-publishers-study-suggests/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-...