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I don't think my point is to argue against cognitive distortions generally or against any specific mental model (as that would likely be ridiculous). (And I'm

I don't think my point is to argue against cognitive distortions generally or against any specific mental model (as that would likely be ridiculous). (And I'm very aware of what CBT is.) It's just ... specifically this focus on 'intention' that seems to be in a certain vogue right now (or I should say newfound focus) as counter to the notion of institutional or systemic causes. Something can be a clinical phenomena, but that does not necessarily reflect the deployment of the generalized concept of such into the broader world. There is a gap between persons being debilitated, to one degree or another, by patterns in their cognition and 'overly-sensitive' college students rejecting 'reality'.

hogFeast 5y ago
I am not sure what your point is about intention. Institutional and systemic causes of what? You are extremely non-specific about what your actual argument is, you just say repeatedly how in vogue it is and that people intend things different to outcomes...but I think my earlier reply would likely be repeated. Right, you are hung up on the idea that the purpose of the OP is to prove "reality". Again, reality is nothing to do with it...it isn't relevant, it makes no sense in the context of this discussion. And it does reflect the deployment of the concept because college students are humans who have thoughts...so you can use the same tools that are used in a clinical setting because you are also dealing with humans there. As I mentioned, cognitive distortions occur in all people to some degree, that can result in something that needs treatment, it can have no effect...it just depends. But the point of the OP is to highlight that cognitive distortions are correlated to safetyism, it is not a diagnosis of anyone, it is nothing to do with any clinical phenomena. Again, if you just look at the Wiki on cognitive distortions, it is fairly clear how the authors get to this conclusion. I would say that safetyism is a cognitive distortion (you are weighting improbable threats highly, attempting to read the mind of people you don't know, ironically making generalizations about people...this seems, to me, like it should be obvious...as is the situation we are seeing now where anxiety about this stuff has actually increased).
- apocalypstyx 5y ago
  Maybe it's the opposite. Maybe our anxiety is increasing because we can no longer read minds and make generalizations without the subjects of those mind readings and generalizations intruding of their own will into the realm of our conceptualization. ---- Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. --Blood Meridian

hogFeast 5y ago

I am not sure what your point is about intention. Institutional and systemic causes of what? You are extremely non-specific about what your actual argument is, you just say repeatedly how in vogue it is and that people intend things different to outcomes...but I think my earlier reply would likely be repeated. Right, you are hung up on the idea that the purpose of the OP is to prove "reality". Again, reality is nothing to do with it...it isn't relevant, it makes no sense in the context of this discussion. And it does reflect the deployment of the concept because college students are humans who have thoughts...so you can use the same tools that are used in a clinical setting because you are also dealing with humans there. As I mentioned, cognitive distortions occur in all people to some degree, that can result in something that needs treatment, it can have no effect...it just depends. But the point of the OP is to highlight that cognitive distortions are correlated to safetyism, it is not a diagnosis of anyone, it is nothing to do with any clinical phenomena. Again, if you just look at the Wiki on cognitive distortions, it is fairly clear how the authors get to this conclusion. I would say that safetyism is a cognitive distortion (you are weighting improbable threats highly, attempting to read the mind of people you don't know, ironically making generalizations about people...this seems, to me, like it should be obvious...as is the situation we are seeing now where anxiety about this stuff has actually increased).

apocalypstyx 5y ago
Maybe it's the opposite. Maybe our anxiety is increasing because we can no longer read minds and make generalizations without the subjects of those mind readings and generalizations intruding of their own will into the realm of our conceptualization. ---- Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. --Blood Meridian