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Cognitive distortions are explicitly defined as a thinking pattern that occurs regardless of reality...that is why it is a distortion. Referring to a specific e

Cognitive distortions are explicitly defined as a thinking pattern that occurs regardless of reality...that is why it is a distortion. Referring to a specific example makes no sense because it is a pattern of thought. Referring to reality makes no sense because the thought occurs regardless of reality. As an example, a hypochondriac will believe they are sick when they are not. That does not mean one should not feel anxious about being sick, it means that one should not feel anxious about being sick when you have no evidence that you are sick. The reason for observing that such a person has cognitive distortions is to examine the impact of those thoughts on feelings and behaviour, not engage in a debate about the meaning of reality. Most of these distortions occur in people who are have poor mental health, it is not academic, it is a clinical treatment. If you are curious, read more about CBT rather than jumping to conclusions wildly. You can disagree with the theory of mind used, but what you have said seems to misunderstand fundamentally what the paper is about. Mental illness is not passion. Cognitive distortion do not mean someone is mentally ill, people can have all kinds of thoughts that are not based in reality with no impact on their life. At the same time, cognitive distortions can be ruinous for other people. Would you say someone with anorexia was just very passionate about winning their joust with Reason? No. Again, the point of "cognitive distortions" is the idea that your thoughts impact your feelings and behaviour which can lead to poor mental health if those thoughts are not accurate in some way. There are several very common cognitive distortions that occur with anxiety and depression, for example, which should indicate that they are not totally fictional. Also, I am not really sure why this is controversial or unexpected. Some of the most common cognitive distortions are word-for-word how people explain what the OP calls "safetyism"...it shouldn't be a massive surprise. It is quite reasonable to ask whether everyone else in society needs to adjust their behaviour (to be clear, everyone can adjust their behaviour ad infinitum, it will make no difference to how these people feel...I think it is self-evident that increasing "awareness" or whatever has actually added to the anxiety because the media has taken the view that good journalism is triggering...it is unbelievably toxic, whether this stuff makes you unusually upset or not, ironically I know a psychologist who is remarkably even-handed and they stopped reading the news because they felt it made their life worse...again, is this helping anyone? It is just a race to the bottom).

apocalypstyx 5y ago
I don't think my point is to argue against cognitive distortions generally or against any specific mental model (as that would likely be ridiculous). (And I'm very aware of what CBT is.) It's just ... specifically this focus on 'intention' that seems to be in a certain vogue right now (or I should say newfound focus) as counter to the notion of institutional or systemic causes. Something can be a clinical phenomena, but that does not necessarily reflect the deployment of the generalized concept of such into the broader world. There is a gap between persons being debilitated, to one degree or another, by patterns in their cognition and 'overly-sensitive' college students rejecting 'reality'.
- hogFeast 5y ago
  I am not sure what your point is about intention. Institutional and systemic causes of what? You are extremely non-specific about what your actual argument is, you just say repeatedly how in vogue it is and that people intend things different to outcomes...but I think my earlier reply would likely be repeated. Right, you are hung up on the idea that the purpose of the OP is to prove "reality". Again, reality is nothing to do with it...it isn't relevant, it makes no sense in the context of this discussion. And it does reflect the deployment of the concept because college students are humans who have thoughts...so you can use the same tools that are used in a clinical setting because you are also dealing with humans there. As I mentioned, cognitive distortions occur in all people to some degree, that can result in something that needs treatment, it can have no effect...it just depends. But the point of the OP is to highlight that cognitive distortions are correlated to safetyism, it is not a diagnosis of anyone, it is nothing to do with any clinical phenomena. Again, if you just look at the Wiki on cognitive distortions, it is fairly clear how the authors get to this conclusion. I would say that safetyism is a cognitive distortion (you are weighting improbable threats highly, attempting to read the mind of people you don't know, ironically making generalizations about people...this seems, to me, like it should be obvious...as is the situation we are seeing now where anxiety about this stuff has actually increased).
  - apocalypstyx 5y ago
    Maybe it's the opposite. Maybe our anxiety is increasing because we can no longer read minds and make generalizations without the subjects of those mind readings and generalizations intruding of their own will into the realm of our conceptualization. ---- Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. --Blood Meridian

apocalypstyx 5y ago

I don't think my point is to argue against cognitive distortions generally or against any specific mental model (as that would likely be ridiculous). (And I'm very aware of what CBT is.) It's just ... specifically this focus on 'intention' that seems to be in a certain vogue right now (or I should say newfound focus) as counter to the notion of institutional or systemic causes. Something can be a clinical phenomena, but that does not necessarily reflect the deployment of the generalized concept of such into the broader world. There is a gap between persons being debilitated, to one degree or another, by patterns in their cognition and 'overly-sensitive' college students rejecting 'reality'.

hogFeast 5y ago
I am not sure what your point is about intention. Institutional and systemic causes of what? You are extremely non-specific about what your actual argument is, you just say repeatedly how in vogue it is and that people intend things different to outcomes...but I think my earlier reply would likely be repeated. Right, you are hung up on the idea that the purpose of the OP is to prove "reality". Again, reality is nothing to do with it...it isn't relevant, it makes no sense in the context of this discussion. And it does reflect the deployment of the concept because college students are humans who have thoughts...so you can use the same tools that are used in a clinical setting because you are also dealing with humans there. As I mentioned, cognitive distortions occur in all people to some degree, that can result in something that needs treatment, it can have no effect...it just depends. But the point of the OP is to highlight that cognitive distortions are correlated to safetyism, it is not a diagnosis of anyone, it is nothing to do with any clinical phenomena. Again, if you just look at the Wiki on cognitive distortions, it is fairly clear how the authors get to this conclusion. I would say that safetyism is a cognitive distortion (you are weighting improbable threats highly, attempting to read the mind of people you don't know, ironically making generalizations about people...this seems, to me, like it should be obvious...as is the situation we are seeing now where anxiety about this stuff has actually increased).
- apocalypstyx 5y ago
  Maybe it's the opposite. Maybe our anxiety is increasing because we can no longer read minds and make generalizations without the subjects of those mind readings and generalizations intruding of their own will into the realm of our conceptualization. ---- Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. --Blood Meridian