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I do think sending notifications without permission is going too far. If there is a special free trial (Apple TV for 12 months if you buy a new device, vs 7 da

I do think sending notifications without permission is going too far. If there is a special free trial (Apple TV for 12 months if you buy a new device, vs 7 days for the regular free trial), inform customers about it in the Settings app (but if they decline, don't continue to show the red notification badge) or by email. Finally, let people delete the apps. As far as I can tell, macOS still does not allow the News app to be deleted.

castis 5y ago
Overall I agree with you, however on that last note: iOS has let you delete pretty much whatever you want for a while now. I just deleted the news app from my iPhone to test this out, successfully deleted. Not just removed from the home screen, removed from the phone.
- 3np 5y ago
  Siri, though... Is still not even possible to permanently disable globally?
  - strogonoff 5y ago
    Anecdotally, did not have Siri get auto reenabled after system updates in the past few years. Last month after retiring from backup new phone didn't get it reenabled either. At some point I had to go to settings to enable push-to-talk-to-Siri because it's useful.
    - 3np 5y ago
      The problem is that still for newly installed apps, it auto-enables “let Siri learn from how you use this app”. It’s easy to forget whenever you install a new app.
      - strogonoff 5y ago
        The flag has no effect if Siri is disabled, as far as I know.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  That last note was about macOS, not iOS.
  - castis 5y ago
    Whoops! You are correct and it looks like OP is right. I am unable to delete the News app from macOS.
philliphaydon 5y ago
I bought a new iPhone and it had the 1 year of Apple TV. I wanted to trial it but was busy. It reminded me 2 months later and I tried it then. Been using it ever since and even bought an appletv because android tv boxes are such junk. Sometimes being reminded is good. Sometimes.
- deadmutex 5y ago
  > because android tv boxes are such junk Which one did you buy? There is a huge variation in quality, e.g. nVidia Sheild/Google TV vs. a Mi Box / FireTV, etc. I think you have to compare Apple vs Apples. Compare the Apple TV to a equivalently priced Android TV.
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    I had tried 6 different ones before I ended up on the Apple TV. MiBox, Fire Stick, few random ones in singapore (testing in store they are super responsive but when you get home they are slow or slow down) Couldn’t get the shield in Singapore. Saw it here in Taiwan. The mibox was the best I tried but the issue was when at 4k it’s laggy. Content plays without issue but navigating around is frustrating. And if it’s at 1080 it’s fast but when 4k content displays it goes crazy while it switches. None of it provides a good experience.

castis 5y ago

Overall I agree with you, however on that last note: iOS has let you delete pretty much whatever you want for a while now. I just deleted the news app from my iPhone to test this out, successfully deleted. Not just removed from the home screen, removed from the phone.

3np 5y ago
Siri, though... Is still not even possible to permanently disable globally?
- strogonoff 5y ago
  Anecdotally, did not have Siri get auto reenabled after system updates in the past few years. Last month after retiring from backup new phone didn't get it reenabled either. At some point I had to go to settings to enable push-to-talk-to-Siri because it's useful.
  - 3np 5y ago
    The problem is that still for newly installed apps, it auto-enables “let Siri learn from how you use this app”. It’s easy to forget whenever you install a new app.
    - strogonoff 5y ago
      The flag has no effect if Siri is disabled, as far as I know.
lern_too_spel 5y ago
That last note was about macOS, not iOS.
- castis 5y ago
  Whoops! You are correct and it looks like OP is right. I am unable to delete the News app from macOS.

philliphaydon 5y ago

I bought a new iPhone and it had the 1 year of Apple TV. I wanted to trial it but was busy. It reminded me 2 months later and I tried it then. Been using it ever since and even bought an appletv because android tv boxes are such junk. Sometimes being reminded is good. Sometimes.

deadmutex 5y ago
> because android tv boxes are such junk Which one did you buy? There is a huge variation in quality, e.g. nVidia Sheild/Google TV vs. a Mi Box / FireTV, etc. I think you have to compare Apple vs Apples. Compare the Apple TV to a equivalently priced Android TV.
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  I had tried 6 different ones before I ended up on the Apple TV. MiBox, Fire Stick, few random ones in singapore (testing in store they are super responsive but when you get home they are slow or slow down) Couldn’t get the shield in Singapore. Saw it here in Taiwan. The mibox was the best I tried but the issue was when at 4k it’s laggy. Content plays without issue but navigating around is frustrating. And if it’s at 1080 it’s fast but when 4k content displays it goes crazy while it switches. None of it provides a good experience.