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> Look at what the non-MS (and non-Apple) FAANGs do; they use OSS operating systems My man, at Amazon basically all engineers use either Windows or Mac. The on

> Look at what the non-MS (and non-Apple) FAANGs do; they use OSS operating systems My man, at Amazon basically all engineers use either Windows or Mac. The only ones using open source are customers, and sometimes not very much considering all AWS is a proprietary cloud. Netflix on the other hand is basically 99% AWS too.

Mikeb85 5y ago
And Amazon infrastructure is what, Windows Server on Azure?
- c0balt 5y ago
  No, MS DOS on Cloudflare Workers over WASM
- zinekeller 5y ago
  You jest, but you know deep down that (except for S3 and APIs created outside Amazon) every API on AWS can't easily be replicated outside of AWS, and that's the point the parent's making. It's like calling Android (at least the official version) open because it's based on Linux.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    That's completely missing the point. The point is that the tech boom after the .com bust came as a result of tons of startups (Facebook, Netflix, Google, Amazon, etc...) leveraging commodity hardware and open source software to build their infrastructures and businesses instead of relying on vendors like Microsoft, IBM, Sun, etc... It's about how they became big and the forces that allowed them to grow, not about the fact they still sell proprietary products. EU 'tech' companies are like the slow-moving 'enterprise' companies that still buy from MS, IBM, Oracle, etc... Instead of leveraging what's out there, taking some risk and building things themselves they just do the 'safe' thing. Likewise EU investors play it too safe as there's too much generational wealth whose goal is to preserve said wealth.
    - StreamBright 5y ago
      On the top of that EU companies looking at the EU historically bad legislation bodies to achieve "protection" against US based tech companies instead of innovating. There is not a single company in the EU that could build S3 today. If there was such company we could have a cloud that uses S3 as storage and any computation platform to run most of the workload running on US based cloud companies today. There are several OSS software components that can be deployed on Nomad or k8s and have a solid infra just with these two. (I am leaving out IAM/AAA, obviously). Sure this is not the convenience level of AWS/Azure/GCP but at least a start that you can build on and if the EU is serious about it turn it into a real EU based cloud provider. Once you start to add additional services (for example TiDB, Presto, Kafka or even Qemu/Firecracker/KVM) you can build a cloud that has the best offerings of the hyperscalers. Instead, the whole EU tech scene is hiring lawyers to pressure the EU to ban US based cloud computing. Somehow we lost our way in the EU and innovation happens in the US and in China. https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/opinion/gaia-x-a-trojan-horse-for-big-tech-in-europe/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/opinion/gaia-x-a-tr...
      - Hakashiro 5y ago
        https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/public-cloud/object-storage/ https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/public-cloud/object-storage/ S3 on OVH.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
Netflix is AWS but they run FreeBSD.
- StreamBright 5y ago
  This is a pretty common misconception about Netflix. Netflix is running on AWS (using Linux) and the streaming service is not running on AWS using FreeBSD. https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-kinesis-data-streams/ https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-kinesi... https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-nicedcv/ https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-nicedc... https://papers.freebsd.org/2019/fosdem/looney-netflix_and_freebsd/ https://papers.freebsd.org/2019/fosdem/looney-netflix_and_fr...
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    Oh ok sorry. But Netflix is always touted as the biggest commercial user of FreeBSD. I wonder what they're using it for then if not streaming?
    - vulcan01 5y ago
      No, you've misunderstood. Netflix (the website and other such things) runs on AWS using Linux. However, Netflix, the streaming service that their website and apps use, runs on FreeBSD and is not on AWS.

Mikeb85 5y ago

And Amazon infrastructure is what, Windows Server on Azure?

c0balt 5y ago
No, MS DOS on Cloudflare Workers over WASM
zinekeller 5y ago
You jest, but you know deep down that (except for S3 and APIs created outside Amazon) every API on AWS can't easily be replicated outside of AWS, and that's the point the parent's making. It's like calling Android (at least the official version) open because it's based on Linux.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  That's completely missing the point. The point is that the tech boom after the .com bust came as a result of tons of startups (Facebook, Netflix, Google, Amazon, etc...) leveraging commodity hardware and open source software to build their infrastructures and businesses instead of relying on vendors like Microsoft, IBM, Sun, etc... It's about how they became big and the forces that allowed them to grow, not about the fact they still sell proprietary products. EU 'tech' companies are like the slow-moving 'enterprise' companies that still buy from MS, IBM, Oracle, etc... Instead of leveraging what's out there, taking some risk and building things themselves they just do the 'safe' thing. Likewise EU investors play it too safe as there's too much generational wealth whose goal is to preserve said wealth.
  - StreamBright 5y ago
    On the top of that EU companies looking at the EU historically bad legislation bodies to achieve "protection" against US based tech companies instead of innovating. There is not a single company in the EU that could build S3 today. If there was such company we could have a cloud that uses S3 as storage and any computation platform to run most of the workload running on US based cloud companies today. There are several OSS software components that can be deployed on Nomad or k8s and have a solid infra just with these two. (I am leaving out IAM/AAA, obviously). Sure this is not the convenience level of AWS/Azure/GCP but at least a start that you can build on and if the EU is serious about it turn it into a real EU based cloud provider. Once you start to add additional services (for example TiDB, Presto, Kafka or even Qemu/Firecracker/KVM) you can build a cloud that has the best offerings of the hyperscalers. Instead, the whole EU tech scene is hiring lawyers to pressure the EU to ban US based cloud computing. Somehow we lost our way in the EU and innovation happens in the US and in China. https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/opinion/gaia-x-a-trojan-horse-for-big-tech-in-europe/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/opinion/gaia-x-a-tr...
    - Hakashiro 5y ago
      https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/public-cloud/object-storage/ https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/public-cloud/object-storage/ S3 on OVH.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

Netflix is AWS but they run FreeBSD.

StreamBright 5y ago
This is a pretty common misconception about Netflix. Netflix is running on AWS (using Linux) and the streaming service is not running on AWS using FreeBSD. https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-kinesis-data-streams/ https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-kinesi... https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-nicedcv/ https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-nicedc... https://papers.freebsd.org/2019/fosdem/looney-netflix_and_freebsd/ https://papers.freebsd.org/2019/fosdem/looney-netflix_and_fr...
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  Oh ok sorry. But Netflix is always touted as the biggest commercial user of FreeBSD. I wonder what they're using it for then if not streaming?
  - vulcan01 5y ago
    No, you've misunderstood. Netflix (the website and other such things) runs on AWS using Linux. However, Netflix, the streaming service that their website and apps use, runs on FreeBSD and is not on AWS.