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It's sad to say but we should have just let this thing rip in March 2020. We would have a lot of death I know, but we would have been back to normal by June.

by dham 5y ago

It's sad to say but we should have just let this thing rip in March 2020. We would have a lot of death I know, but we would have been back to normal by June. Variants would have never been a thing and it just becomes a cold. I'll come back to this message in 10 years to see how history looks at this situation.

moneywoes 5y ago
So the hospitals would just refuse people?
- dham 5y ago
  A few things in hindsight that probably wouldn't work * Government declares war on this thing and pays people to work as nurses * Don't ventilate people * Focus more on treatments early, spray and pray with drugs that already exist * US centric. US is huge. All hospitals won't get over run. Only in certain parts of country. Move people out of big cities and into mid west * Focus only on older people quarantine. Everyone still keeps their jobs and everyone can help their older neighbor or older family members financially. * Start fitness surveillance on people. Only people eat well and work out can get "passports" to go places. * Government calls it like it is, declares war on obesity, gives everyone a peloton and you have to ride it every night. If you have BMI over a certain amount you have to quarantine. Fast food is banned, smoking is banned, soft drinks are banned. McDonalds and other fast food restaurants pay for treatment and everyone killed by Covid. Deaths would be similar to a bad flu season since only generally healthy people would get it. Some of those are more tongue and cheek.
jihadjihad 5y ago
This is an attitude I hear a lot from within my own family, but it ignores one of the primary reasons we took such measures in the first place: the healthcare system not being able to service that amount of load. It's not even about people dying from COVID as much as other, unrelated patients being denied access to necessary care because the healthcare system is flooded.
- dham 5y ago
  I agree but we have to think about the future. Modern humans have a horrible ability to plan for the future. It's all about instant gratification. Once I had kids I never really cared much about my on mortality anymore. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made. Maybe not this virus but humans will have to deal with a virus eventually where we're going to have to make a trade off. Again though this would have been similar to Hong Kong flu if it hit 40 years ago. Humans basically killed themselves, especially in the US. We were on a collision course with something like this for the last 30 years. People said we didn't do enough sooner or we didn't see this coming. Na, it had been coming for decades.
- taxicabjesus 5y ago
  > the healthcare system not being able to service that amount of load. At first the healthcare system was overwhelmed. Then Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell posted his rebellion video to YouTube, which said, essentially, “why are we following terrible advice to ventilate early? This is very bad medicine.” (I think Dr. Kyle-Sidell had previously only intubated patients who were actually in respiratory distress, and thought the non-distressed patients whose lungs he was damaging actually had something sort of like HAPE.) After the rebellion video ventilations fell off a cliff. The media stopped telling us how many ventilators we were short, because they weren’t needed anymore. I came across the doctor’s letter in a medical journal. Don’t think the observation about hypocapnia was ever followed up on: https://twitter.com/taxicabjesus/status/1455405908826091520 https://twitter.com/taxicabjesus/status/1455405908826091520

by dham 5y ago

moneywoes 5y ago

So the hospitals would just refuse people?

dham 5y ago
A few things in hindsight that probably wouldn't work * Government declares war on this thing and pays people to work as nurses * Don't ventilate people * Focus more on treatments early, spray and pray with drugs that already exist * US centric. US is huge. All hospitals won't get over run. Only in certain parts of country. Move people out of big cities and into mid west * Focus only on older people quarantine. Everyone still keeps their jobs and everyone can help their older neighbor or older family members financially. * Start fitness surveillance on people. Only people eat well and work out can get "passports" to go places. * Government calls it like it is, declares war on obesity, gives everyone a peloton and you have to ride it every night. If you have BMI over a certain amount you have to quarantine. Fast food is banned, smoking is banned, soft drinks are banned. McDonalds and other fast food restaurants pay for treatment and everyone killed by Covid. Deaths would be similar to a bad flu season since only generally healthy people would get it. Some of those are more tongue and cheek.

jihadjihad 5y ago

This is an attitude I hear a lot from within my own family, but it ignores one of the primary reasons we took such measures in the first place: the healthcare system not being able to service that amount of load. It's not even about people dying from COVID as much as other, unrelated patients being denied access to necessary care because the healthcare system is flooded.

dham 5y ago
I agree but we have to think about the future. Modern humans have a horrible ability to plan for the future. It's all about instant gratification. Once I had kids I never really cared much about my on mortality anymore. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made. Maybe not this virus but humans will have to deal with a virus eventually where we're going to have to make a trade off. Again though this would have been similar to Hong Kong flu if it hit 40 years ago. Humans basically killed themselves, especially in the US. We were on a collision course with something like this for the last 30 years. People said we didn't do enough sooner or we didn't see this coming. Na, it had been coming for decades.
taxicabjesus 5y ago
> the healthcare system not being able to service that amount of load. At first the healthcare system was overwhelmed. Then Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell posted his rebellion video to YouTube, which said, essentially, “why are we following terrible advice to ventilate early? This is very bad medicine.” (I think Dr. Kyle-Sidell had previously only intubated patients who were actually in respiratory distress, and thought the non-distressed patients whose lungs he was damaging actually had something sort of like HAPE.) After the rebellion video ventilations fell off a cliff. The media stopped telling us how many ventilators we were short, because they weren’t needed anymore. I came across the doctor’s letter in a medical journal. Don’t think the observation about hypocapnia was ever followed up on: https://twitter.com/taxicabjesus/status/1455405908826091520 https://twitter.com/taxicabjesus/status/1455405908826091520