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It sounds like you’re advocating for using local products rather than the best products available. That’s fine but it’s not something that will ultimately bene

It sounds like you’re advocating for using local products rather than the best products available. That’s fine but it’s not something that will ultimately benefit the EU after China and the US retaliate in kind.

Mikeb85 5y ago
Absolutely advocating supporting local businesses. Just like I advocate using OSS. Is an EU company going to make a better search engine than Google on day one? Is any company going to be an absolute world-beater on day one? Sometimes voting with your wallet means supporting something you want to succeed... I mean, I'll never use MS products nor buy an Apple product, ever. Not even if they have the nicest X. Because I don't like the prospect of a world where it's only MS/Apple. So I use products that are good for an open world as much as possible. In the real world, people support local businesses. People support small business and hand-made products, even if it's more expensive. Because that's how you grow your local economy.
- moonchrome 5y ago
  >In the real world, people support local businesses. People support small business and hand-made products, even if it's more expensive. Because that's how you grow your local economy. That's fine as a consumer. But as a business and a professional I don't have time to muck around with half-baked "local" solutions when better solutions exist.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    The argument could have been made that the early Googlers shouldn't have been mucking around with Python and Linux...
    - bcrosby95 5y ago
      They used Python because it provided value, not because it might in 5, 10, 20 years into the future.
      - Mikeb85 5y ago
        You missed the point... Obviously Google's stack enabled them to be successful. I think tools like Python, Ruby and PHP still are great. Not everyone is Google-scale.
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ozim 5y ago
So it sounds more like moving all capabilities to China and waking up later that you don't have locally any possibility to make products. Right now US companies are hiring eastern European developers directly for "whatever they want to be paid" and local companies cannot compete on salaries. Whole world is paying US companies, EU companies are local at best in couple of European countries and even then they have to spend loads of money on localization. While US is 331,449,281 people and EU is 447,706,209 differences between EU counties are a lot bigger than between US states. If you start up with a company you can start in single language and single country - moving to other country takes loads of effort. I might be wrong about how it is easy to scale business between US states but I expect it is a lot easier than in EU.
IdiocyInAction 5y ago
Biden said to "buy American" and still has tariffs on the EU, so I am not sure who should retaliate.

Mikeb85 5y ago

Absolutely advocating supporting local businesses. Just like I advocate using OSS. Is an EU company going to make a better search engine than Google on day one? Is any company going to be an absolute world-beater on day one? Sometimes voting with your wallet means supporting something you want to succeed... I mean, I'll never use MS products nor buy an Apple product, ever. Not even if they have the nicest X. Because I don't like the prospect of a world where it's only MS/Apple. So I use products that are good for an open world as much as possible. In the real world, people support local businesses. People support small business and hand-made products, even if it's more expensive. Because that's how you grow your local economy.

moonchrome 5y ago
>In the real world, people support local businesses. People support small business and hand-made products, even if it's more expensive. Because that's how you grow your local economy. That's fine as a consumer. But as a business and a professional I don't have time to muck around with half-baked "local" solutions when better solutions exist.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  The argument could have been made that the early Googlers shouldn't have been mucking around with Python and Linux...
  - bcrosby95 5y ago
    They used Python because it provided value, not because it might in 5, 10, 20 years into the future.
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      You missed the point... Obviously Google's stack enabled them to be successful. I think tools like Python, Ruby and PHP still are great. Not everyone is Google-scale.

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ozim 5y ago

So it sounds more like moving all capabilities to China and waking up later that you don't have locally any possibility to make products. Right now US companies are hiring eastern European developers directly for "whatever they want to be paid" and local companies cannot compete on salaries. Whole world is paying US companies, EU companies are local at best in couple of European countries and even then they have to spend loads of money on localization. While US is 331,449,281 people and EU is 447,706,209 differences between EU counties are a lot bigger than between US states. If you start up with a company you can start in single language and single country - moving to other country takes loads of effort. I might be wrong about how it is easy to scale business between US states but I expect it is a lot easier than in EU.

IdiocyInAction 5y ago

Biden said to "buy American" and still has tariffs on the EU, so I am not sure who should retaliate.