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It‘s actually very simple: Ban FAANGs from public procurement in the EU. That‘s it. Watch them squirm, pocket their billions spent on lobbying, and then say
by axiosgunnar 5y ago
It‘s actually very simple:
Ban FAANGs from public procurement in the EU.
That‘s it.
Watch them squirm, pocket their billions spent on lobbying, and then say „sorry no“ and ban them from all public procurement processes, in all countries in the EU.
In 10 years, Europe will be a software superpower.
- geoffcline 5y agoF: not sure how much public procurement they are doing A(pple): seems unrelated and unhelpful to ban this large hardware firm if the goal is to be a "software superpower". A(mazon): ok sure, build your own europe cloud. N: lol G: excellent idea to ban the only major competitor to microsoft office? chrome os for schools, gmail for business compared to exchange, etc.
- mrkstu 5y agoSo start a trade war and ghettoize the entire EU software industry in one fell swoop?
- echelon 5y agoMAGMA [1] is more appropriate now. [1] Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Meta, Apple
- wanderingmind 5y agoOr MAAMA (Alphabet instead of Google)
- phh 5y agoI prefer MAMAAN while we're there (which would translate to moom from french)
- nickpeterson 5y agoOr “my man” the way Denzel would say it.
- ectopod 5y agoOr with Netflix, GAMMAN.
- L0stRegulator 5y agoByteDance, Alphabet, Netflix, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, Apple BANAMMA or NABAMMA
- the8472 5y agoBanning specific companies is silly because then the next big company not on that list will just do the same thing they did. Just set general policy. If you require open source and open standards etc. then microsoft could play too in principle, but they probably won't anyway.
- Giorgi 5y agoYeah right, with all the restrictions and regulations EU will never touch anywhere near "superpower" territory, ban anything you want, even with toughest protectionism (which is always bad) EU lacks manpower, knowledge and education for sufficient IT sector development. Software developers like (as one might assume) to earn money and immigrate to US on first possibility or job offer, where there is ongoing boom in innovation and development, where companies compete to hire them, nobody likes to be suffocated with heavy EU taxes and get lower salary because main competitors are banned.
- akersten 5y ago> In 10 years, Europe will be a software superpower. LOL not at €40k/year for senior devs they won't be. You'll sooner see Europe become the #1 exporter of H1Bs.
- moooo99 5y agoI wonder where those numbers come from? I'm an entry level dev and make €60k a year here in Germany. Where do people pull those numbers from? I'm fairly certain that those are salaries paid by _some_ companies, but that those aren't realistic salaries let alone representative of the EU. Also, I saw many people referring to such numbers for devs in east European countries and completely failing to factor in the dramatically lower cost of living. TL;DR: European senior devs certainly don't make as much as their FAANG counterparts (most U.S. based seniors probably don't make that much either) but €40k isn't a usual senior salary in most (west-)european countries.
- bcrosby95 5y agoI work for a small "mom and pop" software shop and our entry level pay in the USA is around $120k.
- anonbee 5y agoI think one issue is that the definition of Europe varies wildly when taking colloquially, that 40k figure can be valid in parts of Southern Europe. Although the market has shifted massively in the past few years so you can shift that figure to 60 or 80k even in the south for senior roles. Even at the upper averages though these numbers still aren't really all that competitive. As a single data point, I'm earning 2-3x the local market rate in Europe (170k) by working for a US startup remotely.
- moooo99 5y ago> Even at the upper averages though these numbers still aren't really all that competitive. As a single data point, I'm earning 2-3x the local market rate in Europe (170k) by working for a US startup remotely. That seems like a fairly popular option nowadays which is not surprising given the fairly unattractive local market. But I'm interested, how does it work after taxes and social security contributions? I've been looking into that here in Germany, but the headache that comes with working for a remote only company does not seem worth the higher salary (at least not for entry level positions).
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y agoDoesn't really make sense. The US is still producing new unicorn companies, so you can't claim Europe wasn't able to do that because of the US monopoly. Since those are new services, there was no previous monopoly, as the kind of service didn't exist.
- moffkalast 5y agoThere are some pretty successful startups like Wolt recently, but they inevitably get bought out and taken over by american captial. So there is nothing because as soon as it becomes something it's no longer ours lmao.
- ChuckNorris89 5y agoIt almost like the US has so much money, it can outspend the EU at every step of the way.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y agoEU invested a billion EUR into creating a Google alternative some years ago. Naturally, nothing was ever heard from the project again. Such things happen on a regular basis. Money shortage is not the problem. There are also many big companies, for example VW could have bought some AI startups or Uber competitors.
- moffkalast 5y agoPretty much.
- lytefm 5y ago> It almost like the US has so much money, it can outspend the EU at every step of the way. Especially for startups: either buy the whole company or hire the key employees away.
- wbl 5y agoImport substitution doesn't work. It produces flabby companies that can't cut it other places.
- Hakashiro 5y agoIf you want EU to replicate India with a shitty work culture, a shitty salary, and a shitty quality of life, then, yes. This is the way to go.
- protomyth 5y agoAnd watch the US ban the import of any EU vehicle then the trade war can begin.
- freeflight 5y ago> then the trade war can begin Threatening with doing something you are already doing, is not very effective leverage. The American trade war on the EU, started by the US in 2018, is technically still in effect until January 1, 2022. The decision to end it was made only earlier this month.
- freeflight 5y ago> Ban FAANGs from public procurement in the EU. That might be easier said than actually done. US corporations are very good in side-lining that kind of regulation if it ain't worded very carefully and specific.