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> If we couldn't overcome it after a year of lockdowns, why is this gonna be the time it changes? Lockdowns are not about overcoming it; they're about saving l

> If we couldn't overcome it after a year of lockdowns, why is this gonna be the time it changes? Lockdowns are not about overcoming it; they're about saving lives. I think it's fair to say that the lockdowns saved quite a lot of them. Looking at how the death charts correlate with lockdown impositions might support this viewpoint.

Gigachad 5y ago
Lockdowns don’t make any progress. They put everything on pause. But as soon as you unpause, all of those saved lives are at the same risk they were at before. And you can’t pause forever. Each lockdown becomes less and less effective as people stop caring.
- mojuba 5y ago
  Except there's hope of finding a more effective treatment against this virus while we are on pause. So lives can be saved potentially.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    We did. We have multiple vaccines and treatments. That was the end game. If those didn’t work, we have no choice but either live in some dystopian hellscape to save people from exactly one illness at the cost of literally all other issues… or we accept the risks and move on with our lives. 2 years of this is a non trivial amount of time.
    - tldrthelaw 5y ago
      We do have another choice, continuing to buy time to add to the arsenal of weapons we have against the virus. Things are only simple when you frame the issue simply; reality is complicated. You need only imagine yourself flickering out to see the value in doing what you can to keep someone from the same fate. We are all alive in our heads just like you are in yours.
      - spookthesunset 5y ago
        You are free to live that existence all you want but that is your own personal risk assessment. Vaccines were the end of the game for governments being able to dictate our own risk assessments. There is literally nothing else we can do besides vaccines and treatments. To suggest it is totally cool to play this game 2 years into this requires an awful lot of privilege.
        tldrthelaw 5y ago
        Just repeating that something is "the end game" doesn't make it so. That isn't how public health works. There is no certain amount of privilege required to "play this game" for 2 years than 1 year, or 1 month. You're setting up arbitrary lines in the sand and pretending they're laws of nature or maybe government. I understand 2 years is as long as you want to wait, but we're all doing things we don't want to be doing. Such is the cost of living in a society.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Until you enforce those rules with the military.
  - Gigachad 5y ago
    And then you end up with riots so the military end up killing people with guns to save them from covid.
- runarberg 5y ago
  You are wrong. The virus has a higher chance of mutating if left to spread. By slowing the rate of transmission we also slow down the rate of mutation. I bet we would be seeing far more dangerous variants at this point if all countries would have just kept business as usual and allowed it to spread unhindered. In the mean time we have developed numerous vaccines and possible treatments, and have only seen a handful of dangerous mutations. The lockdowns certainly seem to be working as intended.
  - bavell 5y ago
    Don't the vaccines put evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate in order to escape them? I'm thinking of the hospital superbugs which are resistant to antibiotics.

Gigachad 5y ago

Lockdowns don’t make any progress. They put everything on pause. But as soon as you unpause, all of those saved lives are at the same risk they were at before. And you can’t pause forever. Each lockdown becomes less and less effective as people stop caring.

mojuba 5y ago
Except there's hope of finding a more effective treatment against this virus while we are on pause. So lives can be saved potentially.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  We did. We have multiple vaccines and treatments. That was the end game. If those didn’t work, we have no choice but either live in some dystopian hellscape to save people from exactly one illness at the cost of literally all other issues… or we accept the risks and move on with our lives. 2 years of this is a non trivial amount of time.
  - tldrthelaw 5y ago
    We do have another choice, continuing to buy time to add to the arsenal of weapons we have against the virus. Things are only simple when you frame the issue simply; reality is complicated. You need only imagine yourself flickering out to see the value in doing what you can to keep someone from the same fate. We are all alive in our heads just like you are in yours.
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      You are free to live that existence all you want but that is your own personal risk assessment. Vaccines were the end of the game for governments being able to dictate our own risk assessments. There is literally nothing else we can do besides vaccines and treatments. To suggest it is totally cool to play this game 2 years into this requires an awful lot of privilege.
      - tldrthelaw 5y ago
        Just repeating that something is "the end game" doesn't make it so. That isn't how public health works. There is no certain amount of privilege required to "play this game" for 2 years than 1 year, or 1 month. You're setting up arbitrary lines in the sand and pretending they're laws of nature or maybe government. I understand 2 years is as long as you want to wait, but we're all doing things we don't want to be doing. Such is the cost of living in a society.
ipaddr 5y ago
Until you enforce those rules with the military.
- Gigachad 5y ago
  And then you end up with riots so the military end up killing people with guns to save them from covid.
runarberg 5y ago
You are wrong. The virus has a higher chance of mutating if left to spread. By slowing the rate of transmission we also slow down the rate of mutation. I bet we would be seeing far more dangerous variants at this point if all countries would have just kept business as usual and allowed it to spread unhindered. In the mean time we have developed numerous vaccines and possible treatments, and have only seen a handful of dangerous mutations. The lockdowns certainly seem to be working as intended.
- bavell 5y ago
  Don't the vaccines put evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate in order to escape them? I'm thinking of the hospital superbugs which are resistant to antibiotics.