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Right, and this is why I have a problem with employer enforced mandates even though I'm vaccinated. The government taking away your right to work and support yo
by d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
Right, and this is why I have a problem with employer enforced mandates even though I'm vaccinated. The government taking away your right to work and support yourself based on some pretty flimsy data about the public good for something that should be a personal decision. Fact is, the vaccinated really shouldn't be losing much sleep over the unvaccinated other than maybe those dirty people might be taking up an ICU bed when I need one.
Ok fine, you want to enforce this: then just man up and imprison the unvaccinated using force. Don't hide behind employers and make them do your dirty work. Taking away a person's right to work is only 2 degrees separated from making them dependent on the state. It's a fear tactic they're hoping they won't ever have to enforce--not that much different than holding a gun to someone's head.
At the end of the day you're never going to be able make someone do something against their will. People who go against the mainstream will already suffer social consequences. If you have to do something with government resources then beef up the ICU beds .
While you're at it you may as well make it illegal to work if you're a smoker, or obese, or if you've ever had a car accident because those things may lead to eating up an ICU bed for some other person that stands on a higher moral ground.
- roca 5y agoComparing failure to vaccinate with smoking or obesity are off the mark because it is not easy to quit smoking or overcome obesity. If there was an effective, cheap, safe and instant cure for smoking addiction or obesity and people refused to take it, societies would indeed by highly critical of those people consuming hospital resources.
- sushsjsuauahab 5y agoIt is not easy for me to vaccinate myself when I've had adverse reactions in the past.
- roca 5y agoSorry to hear that, but that's a small minority of people. And I hope you've talked to your doctor about it --- we're lucky with COVID to have a variety of vaccines with different makeups to choose from.
- bluefox 5y agoYou told sushsjsuauahab that he/she is a small minority of people. I'm sure that makes sushsjsuauahab and others who have their own (gasp) reasons not to get the vaccine feel better... See, it's this one-size-fits-all dictum backed by sanctions that's the problem. The vaccines help prevent sickness, but government policies hurt healthy people.
- roca 5y agoDunno about other countries but in NZ you can apply for medical exemption from vaccine mandates. A panel of medical professionals evaluates your situation and if they agree, you get a vaccine pass that works the same as for a vaccinated person.
- bluefox 5y agoSounds like a new Soviet Union.
- throwaway55421 5y agoSo you can _apply_ for permission to take part in everyday life. Great. It's a no from me.
- Jenda_ 5y agoSome countries have chosen the other way: they left the vaccination up to people, and now nobody can take part in everyday life because of lockdowns.
- throwaway55421 5y agoFalse dichotomy, lockdown is a choice. I will never lock down.
- Jenda_ 5y agothrowaway55421: …and increase the number of deaths as the healthcare collapses? Or are there other options, unknown to me?
- Jenda_ 5y agoTo mRNA vaccines?
- Eelongate 5y agoNah, it's really easy to never smoke. I've been not smoking my entire life. I think his comparison is dead on the mark. If people who choose to be unvaccinated can be vilified for taking up hospital beds, then so can people who choose to pick up a smoking habit.
- refurb 5y agoWhy does it have to be easy?
- coolso 5y ago> because it is not easy to quit smoking or overcome obesity Eat... less?
- roca 5y agoI lean heavily into personal responsibility, but even I don't tell people struggling with addiction "have you tried NOT taking it?"