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I could have addressed that side as well, but I didn't think it was necessarily relevant to the point. There's also now diverging definitions of what defines "
by ravenstine 5y ago
I could have addressed that side as well, but I didn't think it was necessarily relevant to the point. There's also now diverging definitions of what defines "anti-vaxx". Anti-vaxxers might be against all vaccines, or anti-vaxx might mean being against the mRNA vaccines for SARS-CoV2, and then sometimes I get labeled as such (or as a sympathizer) because I think there are valid concerns about these vaccines.
In terms of the OG anti-vaxxers, I agree that they did and perhaps do still play a significant role in fostering distrust. In my opinion, that's just too easy a point to make. Did I really need to make a point about it? It's not really a controversial opinion to state on HN that people who are out of touch with reality share responsibility for vaccine hesitancy.
What's more important is that we recognize that this issue doesn't exist in isolation. I do not buy that the extreme anti-vaxxers share the bulk of responsibility here. The authorities had a chance to get everyone on board, and they totally blew it. Anti-vaxxers could have not existed before this pandemic and they would have still been created as a part of the radical shifts in global societies and how power structures have used tactics that appear to rather intentionally create divisions.
> And how it is only democrats who are responsible for some anti-vaccine claims despite massive anti-vaccine, anti-masks campaigns from republican politicians.
Yes, that is true, and I corrected myself before I even saw your comment.
- watwut 5y agoYou framed or as whole society explanation of universal sociological truth of things splitting to two sides down inthe middle. And in subsequent analysis you completely ignore active and large campaigns to make people distrust vaccines or that covid exists. > The point of actually doing things to instill confidence is to give few to no reasons for society to fractionate down the middle. The expectation is that group you dislike for unrelated reasons have to be perfect. The group you like for unrelated reasons is not responsible for anything they say or do. > do not buy that the extreme anti-vaxxers share the bulk of responsibility here People believing anti-vaxxers are responsibility of loud anti-vaxxers. There was no magic happening, it was people believing what those said. > The authorities had a chance to get everyone on board, and they totally blew it. Large political movements were anti vaccers for political reasons. There was no chance to get everyone on board, when actual politicians and party operatives actively openly and frequently opposed vaccines. And your analysis completely misses these people.