Yeah, I remember now the pain of using bad orms. That feeling that you know what you want, but it’s going to load the data via configuration that you can’t bend

Yeah, I remember now the pain of using bad orms. That feeling that you know what you want, but it’s going to load the data via configuration that you can’t bend into shape. Sqlalchemy is not that kind of orm. If anything is running slow in production I can find it from the logs and then track it to the code quickly - then you can do any sort of query you want in its place. For me it’s never the orm loading stuff that’s slow, it’s always the more complicated queries we’ve done for reporting or whatever.