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This zoomed in view of a single animals suffering seems short sighted to me. Sure, factory farms are terrible, but farm animals (cows, chickens, sheep, goats, e

This zoomed in view of a single animals suffering seems short sighted to me. Sure, factory farms are terrible, but farm animals (cows, chickens, sheep, goats, etc.) in general have grown up symbiotically with humans. Replacing a system where we collaborate with nature to one where we're dependent on a corporate lab grown product does not seem like it's being more integrated with, or compassionate to nature.

qolop 5y ago
> Replacing a system where we collaborate with nature to one where we're dependent on a corporate lab grown product does not seem like it's being more integrated with, or compassionate to nature. Are you really saying that slaughtering animals is more "compassionate" than growing meat synthetically? And are you saying that the massive environmental cost of factory farms makes it more "integrated" with nature? It's like you're deliberately trying to attach a negative connotation to synthetic meat by using the words "corporate lab". Literally all first world amenities originate in a corporate lab! Are you suggesting we stop taking COVID vaccines because they were developed in Pfizer's corporate lab? What do you propose we do instead to curb the world's desire to eat meat? You say "factory farms are terrible". Yes they are! And synthetic meat is the only way factory farms will go away.
- lyjackal 5y ago
  Sorry, I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. Synthetic meat seems morally better than a factory farm, however I don't think the choice is between factory farms and synthetic meat. I'm saying it would be better to to cultivate an approach where we collaborate with nature via humane farms and moderated consumption. I don't have any economic answers, however I think the vegan vision of a human race separate from nature is very scary, and not separate from one where we eradicate the natural world through industrialization.
  - wumpus 5y ago
    I've never met a vegan who had the vision of a human race separate from nature.

qolop 5y ago

> Replacing a system where we collaborate with nature to one where we're dependent on a corporate lab grown product does not seem like it's being more integrated with, or compassionate to nature. Are you really saying that slaughtering animals is more "compassionate" than growing meat synthetically? And are you saying that the massive environmental cost of factory farms makes it more "integrated" with nature? It's like you're deliberately trying to attach a negative connotation to synthetic meat by using the words "corporate lab". Literally all first world amenities originate in a corporate lab! Are you suggesting we stop taking COVID vaccines because they were developed in Pfizer's corporate lab? What do you propose we do instead to curb the world's desire to eat meat? You say "factory farms are terrible". Yes they are! And synthetic meat is the only way factory farms will go away.

lyjackal 5y ago
Sorry, I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. Synthetic meat seems morally better than a factory farm, however I don't think the choice is between factory farms and synthetic meat. I'm saying it would be better to to cultivate an approach where we collaborate with nature via humane farms and moderated consumption. I don't have any economic answers, however I think the vegan vision of a human race separate from nature is very scary, and not separate from one where we eradicate the natural world through industrialization.
- wumpus 5y ago
  I've never met a vegan who had the vision of a human race separate from nature.