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The last time I checked, the web version was limited to 720p. Although I guess that might have been better than broken lipsync. While I'm on the subject... abo

by pinum 5y ago

The last time I checked, the web version was limited to 720p. Although I guess that might have been better than broken lipsync. While I'm on the subject... about a year ago I tried subscribing to the 4K plan, since I bought a 4K monitor. Netflix only played in 4K if I used an HDMI cable, not DisplayPort, and only if I completely unplugged my secondary 1440p monitor (turning it off wasn't enough).

c0balt 5y ago
That sounds more like your external driver (PC or some Box) or your monitor didn't share a supported Displayport Version that supported 4k60 and the HDMI interfaces did. Might've also been the calbe but display-standard supports often sucks on many devices in that regard for higher-level standards.
- ewindal 5y ago
  I shouldn’t need a 4k monitor to watch at a better quality than 720p. The only reason I use Edge these days is because that idiotic (and purposeful) limitation isn’t present there (for some reason).
- pinum 5y ago
  It turned out my monitor supported HDCP 2.2 over HDMI but not DP (edit: and Netflix requires that all connected monitors support 2.2, not just the one you're trying to watch the video on.) I would maybe understand enforcing that requirement if it was effective in protecting the content, but it isn't. 4K content (from UHD blurays and various streaming services) is widely available to pirate, and VLC doesn't care what kind of cable you're using.
  - codetrotter 5y ago
    > I would maybe understand enforcing that requirement if it was effective in protecting the content, but it isn't. 4K content (from UHD blurays and various streaming services) is widely available to pirate, and VLC doesn't care what kind of cable you're using. Speculation on my part but I wouldn’t be surprised if those kinds of requirements are mainly there to appease motion picture industry partners who Netflix is licensing content from. Furthermore, given the long experience the people of the release groups in the piracy scene have in fine tuning video codec parameters for optimal balance between quality and file size, and choosing video codecs that can be decoded on a wide range of devices, I think it is highly probable that many of the people working on the technical side of these things at Netflix have had roles in various piracy release groups prior to having come to work for Netflix. Not saying Netflix would actively seek out piracy release group members to hire them. In fact it’d probably count as negative to openly state any kind of involvement with the piracy scene, and especially to mention having been part of a release group. What I mean is just that the people who were members of these groups have both the skills and the technical motivation to work on these same kinds of things for Netflix.
    - drdaeman 5y ago
      > I wouldn’t be surprised if those kinds of requirements are mainly there to appease motion picture industry partners And those partners require it not because it protects something but because they make money of it by running licensing agencies, so they profit from every compliant monitor and video card sold.
    - Xelbair 5y ago
      >Speculation on my part but I wouldn’t be surprised if those kinds of requirements are mainly there to appease motion picture industry partners who Netflix is licensing content from. Quite likely, but why I, the end user, would ever care about that? it just degrades my experience.
- vbernat 5y ago
  More likely, this is because the DP didn't support HDCP (which requires a dedicated license while the DP port does not). I suppose the HDCP license cannot be shared between HDMI and DP.
- dijit 5y ago
  No, Netflix uses 720p when it can’t detect DRM and HDCP on HDMI. It’s the default case for Linux for this reason.
  - manderley 5y ago
    Netflix is limited to 720p if you use anything but Edge or the Store App on Windows for arbitrary DRM reasons (PlayReady DRM).
  - johnchristopher 5y ago
    SO, I am watching netflix in 720p on my linux laptop ? How do I check that ? https://cd-rw.org/t/how-to-enable-netflix-full-hd-1080p-on-linux/1678 https://cd-rw.org/t/how-to-enable-netflix-full-hd-1080p-on-l... Ah, there's an extension. edit: https://www.netflix.com/fi-en/title/80018499 https://www.netflix.com/fi-en/title/80018499 Aaand I have been watching 720p... :D.
  - dawnerd 5y ago
    Which is hilarious given the pirates have been able to rip full 4k streams from Netflix no problem. Just another case of DRM hurting the end users and doing nothing to stop piracy.
- p_l 5y ago
  If any portion of "secure-from-user" display chain gets broken, including nerfing intel ME, Widevine won't provide higher support than IIRC "Level 1" and Netflix (and other streaming websites) won't provide anything above 720p. Of course forget about it on anything other than windows (maybe mac?)

by pinum 5y ago

c0balt 5y ago

That sounds more like your external driver (PC or some Box) or your monitor didn't share a supported Displayport Version that supported 4k60 and the HDMI interfaces did. Might've also been the calbe but display-standard supports often sucks on many devices in that regard for higher-level standards.

ewindal 5y ago
I shouldn’t need a 4k monitor to watch at a better quality than 720p. The only reason I use Edge these days is because that idiotic (and purposeful) limitation isn’t present there (for some reason).
pinum 5y ago
It turned out my monitor supported HDCP 2.2 over HDMI but not DP (edit: and Netflix requires that all connected monitors support 2.2, not just the one you're trying to watch the video on.) I would maybe understand enforcing that requirement if it was effective in protecting the content, but it isn't. 4K content (from UHD blurays and various streaming services) is widely available to pirate, and VLC doesn't care what kind of cable you're using.
- codetrotter 5y ago
  > I would maybe understand enforcing that requirement if it was effective in protecting the content, but it isn't. 4K content (from UHD blurays and various streaming services) is widely available to pirate, and VLC doesn't care what kind of cable you're using. Speculation on my part but I wouldn’t be surprised if those kinds of requirements are mainly there to appease motion picture industry partners who Netflix is licensing content from. Furthermore, given the long experience the people of the release groups in the piracy scene have in fine tuning video codec parameters for optimal balance between quality and file size, and choosing video codecs that can be decoded on a wide range of devices, I think it is highly probable that many of the people working on the technical side of these things at Netflix have had roles in various piracy release groups prior to having come to work for Netflix. Not saying Netflix would actively seek out piracy release group members to hire them. In fact it’d probably count as negative to openly state any kind of involvement with the piracy scene, and especially to mention having been part of a release group. What I mean is just that the people who were members of these groups have both the skills and the technical motivation to work on these same kinds of things for Netflix.
  - drdaeman 5y ago
    > I wouldn’t be surprised if those kinds of requirements are mainly there to appease motion picture industry partners And those partners require it not because it protects something but because they make money of it by running licensing agencies, so they profit from every compliant monitor and video card sold.
  - Xelbair 5y ago
    >Speculation on my part but I wouldn’t be surprised if those kinds of requirements are mainly there to appease motion picture industry partners who Netflix is licensing content from. Quite likely, but why I, the end user, would ever care about that? it just degrades my experience.
vbernat 5y ago
More likely, this is because the DP didn't support HDCP (which requires a dedicated license while the DP port does not). I suppose the HDCP license cannot be shared between HDMI and DP.
dijit 5y ago
No, Netflix uses 720p when it can’t detect DRM and HDCP on HDMI. It’s the default case for Linux for this reason.
- manderley 5y ago
  Netflix is limited to 720p if you use anything but Edge or the Store App on Windows for arbitrary DRM reasons (PlayReady DRM).
- johnchristopher 5y ago
  SO, I am watching netflix in 720p on my linux laptop ? How do I check that ? https://cd-rw.org/t/how-to-enable-netflix-full-hd-1080p-on-linux/1678 https://cd-rw.org/t/how-to-enable-netflix-full-hd-1080p-on-l... Ah, there's an extension. edit: https://www.netflix.com/fi-en/title/80018499 https://www.netflix.com/fi-en/title/80018499 Aaand I have been watching 720p... :D.
- dawnerd 5y ago
  Which is hilarious given the pirates have been able to rip full 4k streams from Netflix no problem. Just another case of DRM hurting the end users and doing nothing to stop piracy.
p_l 5y ago
If any portion of "secure-from-user" display chain gets broken, including nerfing intel ME, Widevine won't provide higher support than IIRC "Level 1" and Netflix (and other streaming websites) won't provide anything above 720p. Of course forget about it on anything other than windows (maybe mac?)