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Why wouldn't Gates and Fauci promote supplementation given all their other interest in this space? Seems obvious to anyone that spent time reading and looking f

Why wouldn't Gates and Fauci promote supplementation given all their other interest in this space? Seems obvious to anyone that spent time reading and looking for ways to mitigate this in early 2020 that vitamin D would likely help.

LegitShady 5y ago
There is no money to be had and no patents to file for vitamin d.
- oceanplexian 5y ago
  I don’t know why you’ve gotten downvotes, but it’s true. For example one of the strongest predictors of severe COVID-19 is obesity, but not a peep about maintaining a healthy diet or regular exercise from our top doctors during the entire pandemic. If the CDC launched a national effort to get Americans outdoors to exercise (Surely a lot cheaper than the stimulus we spent money on) hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved, not only from COVID but from diabetes and heart disease.
  - hjtkfkfmr 5y ago
    Obesity is killing people for decades now. Telling people "just get fit" doesn't work.
    - mixmastamyk 5y ago
      Covid did motivate a few folks I know to start hiking, even without a government push.
  - overspeed 5y ago
    CDC alone can't solve an issue that stems from high sugar food encouraged by the subsidies from the government. Please note that I'm not knocking on subsidies as a concept but the sugar subsidies which enable the low cost diet in the US.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    Nah, they would be demonized for trying to control people's bodies. https://www.foxnews.com/health/michelle-obama-responds-to-backlash-over-healthy-school-lunches https://www.foxnews.com/health/michelle-obama-responds-to-ba...
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    There are tons of federal fitness programs.
    - LegitShady 5y ago
      meanwhile I can't get my health insurance's 'health spending account' to pay for my gym membership...
  - robbiep 5y ago
    Everyone always trots this one out but it’s horse sh*t. There have been long standing widespread efforts in basically every country to raise the awareness of obesity and the benefits of a balanced diet and exercise. These are enormous public health campaigns which continually fall on deaf ears because people would rather not change their behaviour. These messages have continued for the last 2 years, but are utterly drowned out by the more acute problem which is the spread of covid and morbidity and mortality attached to it
  - mint2 5y ago
    Companies spend massive amounts on encouraging employees to exercise…. are you saying all companies have to do is explain exercise would reduce early mortality rates and then they can cut their fitness incentive spending while saving tons of money on health insurance?! That easy?!
- epgui 5y ago
  On the contrary: there is plenty of money to be made selling supplements, it's super cheap to do, and in most jurisdictions the supplementation and natural products industry and market are barely regulated.
  - mixmastamyk 5y ago
    Sure you can jack up a $5 bottle to $15 perhaps, but that's nothing like the $100 a proprietary-pill-gravy-train that the big, rich corps are looking for. And million dollar campaigns are spent on.
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
Dr. Anthony Fauci has been speaking about Vitamin D in interviews since the start of the pandemic and he talks about taking Vitamin D supplements himself: > "If you're deficient in vitamin D, that does have an impact on your susceptibility to infection. I would not mind recommending, and I do it myself, taking vitamin D supplements," he said. "The other vitamin that people take is vitamin C because it's a good antioxidant, so if people want to take a gram or so of vitamin C, that would be fine." Source: https://www.insider.com/fauci-takes-recommends-vitamin-d-and-c-supplements-immunity-boost-2020-9 https://www.insider.com/fauci-takes-recommends-vitamin-d-and... I don't understand why people assume Dr. Fauci is against Vitamin D. He's taking the most well-informed and realistic stance given the evidence, which is that mild Vitamin D supplementation to avoid deficiency can help, but it's nowhere near a solution or cure for COVID-19.
- swader999 5y ago
  This wasn't disseminated widely and it's not part of any formal preventative recommendation for doctors to implement.
  - PragmaticPulp 5y ago
    Doctors know about Vitamin D. Not sure why you think they would need Dr. Fauci to tell them about it. I've also been hearing about Vitamin D from every angle on social media for the past 2 years. I'm not sure how one of hottest COVID pop-culture prevention suggestions could be considered an underground concept at this point. The misunderstanding might be in the magnitude of effect: Vitamin D moves the needle a little bit, but it's nowhere near a magic bullet against Vitamin D or a solution to the crisis (as many health and fitness influencers have tried to suggest).
    - 08-15 5y ago
      > Doctors know about Vitamin D. Don't be so sure about that. When I first heard about the connection of D3 with the immune system, I asked a friend, who happens to be a cardiologist, about it. He said vitamin D prevents rickets, that's all. And an overdose produces arrhythmia, so be careful with the supplements. Indeed, that's the conventional wisdom found in text books. According to the internet, a healthy immune system needs much higher levels of vitamin D than those necessary for a functioning calcium metabolism, and a D3 overdose is only bad if you have insufficient levels of vitamin K2. I don't know what to think about all of that. After all, my representative study with a sample size of one and no controls yielded no significant results.

LegitShady 5y ago

There is no money to be had and no patents to file for vitamin d.

oceanplexian 5y ago
I don’t know why you’ve gotten downvotes, but it’s true. For example one of the strongest predictors of severe COVID-19 is obesity, but not a peep about maintaining a healthy diet or regular exercise from our top doctors during the entire pandemic. If the CDC launched a national effort to get Americans outdoors to exercise (Surely a lot cheaper than the stimulus we spent money on) hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved, not only from COVID but from diabetes and heart disease.
- hjtkfkfmr 5y ago
  Obesity is killing people for decades now. Telling people "just get fit" doesn't work.
  - mixmastamyk 5y ago
    Covid did motivate a few folks I know to start hiking, even without a government push.
- overspeed 5y ago
  CDC alone can't solve an issue that stems from high sugar food encouraged by the subsidies from the government. Please note that I'm not knocking on subsidies as a concept but the sugar subsidies which enable the low cost diet in the US.
- belltaco 5y ago
  Nah, they would be demonized for trying to control people's bodies. https://www.foxnews.com/health/michelle-obama-responds-to-backlash-over-healthy-school-lunches https://www.foxnews.com/health/michelle-obama-responds-to-ba...
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  There are tons of federal fitness programs.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    meanwhile I can't get my health insurance's 'health spending account' to pay for my gym membership...
- robbiep 5y ago
  Everyone always trots this one out but it’s horse sh*t. There have been long standing widespread efforts in basically every country to raise the awareness of obesity and the benefits of a balanced diet and exercise. These are enormous public health campaigns which continually fall on deaf ears because people would rather not change their behaviour. These messages have continued for the last 2 years, but are utterly drowned out by the more acute problem which is the spread of covid and morbidity and mortality attached to it
- mint2 5y ago
  Companies spend massive amounts on encouraging employees to exercise…. are you saying all companies have to do is explain exercise would reduce early mortality rates and then they can cut their fitness incentive spending while saving tons of money on health insurance?! That easy?!
epgui 5y ago
On the contrary: there is plenty of money to be made selling supplements, it's super cheap to do, and in most jurisdictions the supplementation and natural products industry and market are barely regulated.
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  Sure you can jack up a $5 bottle to $15 perhaps, but that's nothing like the $100 a proprietary-pill-gravy-train that the big, rich corps are looking for. And million dollar campaigns are spent on.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

Dr. Anthony Fauci has been speaking about Vitamin D in interviews since the start of the pandemic and he talks about taking Vitamin D supplements himself: > "If you're deficient in vitamin D, that does have an impact on your susceptibility to infection. I would not mind recommending, and I do it myself, taking vitamin D supplements," he said. "The other vitamin that people take is vitamin C because it's a good antioxidant, so if people want to take a gram or so of vitamin C, that would be fine." Source: https://www.insider.com/fauci-takes-recommends-vitamin-d-and-c-supplements-immunity-boost-2020-9 https://www.insider.com/fauci-takes-recommends-vitamin-d-and... I don't understand why people assume Dr. Fauci is against Vitamin D. He's taking the most well-informed and realistic stance given the evidence, which is that mild Vitamin D supplementation to avoid deficiency can help, but it's nowhere near a solution or cure for COVID-19.

swader999 5y ago
This wasn't disseminated widely and it's not part of any formal preventative recommendation for doctors to implement.
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  Doctors know about Vitamin D. Not sure why you think they would need Dr. Fauci to tell them about it. I've also been hearing about Vitamin D from every angle on social media for the past 2 years. I'm not sure how one of hottest COVID pop-culture prevention suggestions could be considered an underground concept at this point. The misunderstanding might be in the magnitude of effect: Vitamin D moves the needle a little bit, but it's nowhere near a magic bullet against Vitamin D or a solution to the crisis (as many health and fitness influencers have tried to suggest).
  - 08-15 5y ago
    > Doctors know about Vitamin D. Don't be so sure about that. When I first heard about the connection of D3 with the immune system, I asked a friend, who happens to be a cardiologist, about it. He said vitamin D prevents rickets, that's all. And an overdose produces arrhythmia, so be careful with the supplements. Indeed, that's the conventional wisdom found in text books. According to the internet, a healthy immune system needs much higher levels of vitamin D than those necessary for a functioning calcium metabolism, and a D3 overdose is only bad if you have insufficient levels of vitamin K2. I don't know what to think about all of that. After all, my representative study with a sample size of one and no controls yielded no significant results.