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Less dismissive than the original article though. What's the existing complaint? Also if education is designed to be conservative, why is it seen as a threat

by mavhc 5y ago

Less dismissive than the original article though. What's the existing complaint? Also if education is designed to be conservative, why is it seen as a threat much more by conservatives? Aren't they always complaining about new fangled teaching of evolution/women having the vote/slavery being bad/etc?

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
I think we may be looking at the same thing from two very different perspectives and that is perfectly fine. << What's the existing complaint? Hmm, where do you want to start? There is a reason beyond pure propaganda that makes two sides of US political spectrum ( I do not believe it is that simple, but I am simplifying for the sake of the argument ) opt for private instead of public whenever it is a viable option. Why is that? Is everyone racist/classist/elitist? Obviously, the answer is not simple for anyone willing to consider the reality for what it is. But lets start back at the beginning. What is the complaint? Right now, it is the simple fact that parents are not just not being listened to; not just not being heard; not just being ignored. They are actively being treated as a threat to the system. Is that acceptable?
- mavhc 5y ago
  All parents, or some? Some parents are a threat to the system, the crazy ones. Of course you individually choose private school if you can afford it, as an individual choice that's the sensible option. Problem in USA is schools are funded by house taxes, so poor areas get poorly funded schools.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
    Now this is interesting. Word "some" is very subjective and 'all' conveniently limits the conversation to the 'crazy' ones. Would you be more willing to put it in a more defined way-- say in percentage? How much, in your estimate, is a threat? Who are the crazy ones and, perhaps more importantly, who are the sane ones? I don't want to put words in your mouth. I want to understand how you view the world around you.
    - mavhc 5y ago
      Well, I assume that 99% of parents don't care enough to participate. Then you have the crazy people who hate evolution/slavery is bad/vaccines/masks/wifi And, one assumes, there's some people making valid points that don't get any media attention. Seems like it's something there'd be a record of in minutes of meetings, even if there's no statistics about it.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
        <<Well, I assume that 99% of parents don't care enough to participate. I don't really agree. I am sure there are people, who cannot participate due working multiple jobs, other obligations and so on. But you did put a number on it. Based on your estimate, the crazy is less than 1% percent of parents. <<Then you have the crazy people who hate evolution/slavery is bad/vaccines/masks/wifi They can hate all they want, but how does that change facts? I don't think reasonable people disagree slavery was bad ( it was -- and I will sound a little flippant here -- I think disagreement is over whether everything is racist, which is a very different can of worms ). I know that it is easy to dismiss and write them off as crazy/stupid/what have you, but if they come to those meetings, when 99% of parents don't care, isn't it more important to address those the worries of those that do? Even if they yell.. so what? Let them vent. It is de-escalation 101. I will go even further. Especially, if they are crazy, it is extra important to talk to them just in case you get through to one of them. What you do not want to do, which is what seems to a popular sport these days, is escalate to the point cops get called in. <<And, one assumes, there's some people making valid points that don't get any media attention. Seems like it's something there'd be a record of in minutes of meetings, even if there's no statistics about it. Here we can actually agree and as a future 1% I simply cannot wait to read previous meeting's minutes.
        mavhc 5y ago
        But if you don't agree with a conspiracy theorist they have to deny that you have a good point, because if they don't their entire worldview collapses, so they'll obviously say "we're not being listened to" If someone who's read a whole book about something wants to criticize it, fair enough, but I'll bet money that 99% of people hating CRT can barely spell CRT Top tip: Don't stand next to a conspiracy theorist, people will think you're a conspiracy theorist. Calm down the crazy people who agree with you so they don't steal all the attention and make you look crazy too.

by mavhc 5y ago

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago

I think we may be looking at the same thing from two very different perspectives and that is perfectly fine. << What's the existing complaint? Hmm, where do you want to start? There is a reason beyond pure propaganda that makes two sides of US political spectrum ( I do not believe it is that simple, but I am simplifying for the sake of the argument ) opt for private instead of public whenever it is a viable option. Why is that? Is everyone racist/classist/elitist? Obviously, the answer is not simple for anyone willing to consider the reality for what it is. But lets start back at the beginning. What is the complaint? Right now, it is the simple fact that parents are not just not being listened to; not just not being heard; not just being ignored. They are actively being treated as a threat to the system. Is that acceptable?

mavhc 5y ago
All parents, or some? Some parents are a threat to the system, the crazy ones. Of course you individually choose private school if you can afford it, as an individual choice that's the sensible option. Problem in USA is schools are funded by house taxes, so poor areas get poorly funded schools.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  Now this is interesting. Word "some" is very subjective and 'all' conveniently limits the conversation to the 'crazy' ones. Would you be more willing to put it in a more defined way-- say in percentage? How much, in your estimate, is a threat? Who are the crazy ones and, perhaps more importantly, who are the sane ones? I don't want to put words in your mouth. I want to understand how you view the world around you.
  - mavhc 5y ago
    Well, I assume that 99% of parents don't care enough to participate. Then you have the crazy people who hate evolution/slavery is bad/vaccines/masks/wifi And, one assumes, there's some people making valid points that don't get any media attention. Seems like it's something there'd be a record of in minutes of meetings, even if there's no statistics about it.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
      <<Well, I assume that 99% of parents don't care enough to participate. I don't really agree. I am sure there are people, who cannot participate due working multiple jobs, other obligations and so on. But you did put a number on it. Based on your estimate, the crazy is less than 1% percent of parents. <<Then you have the crazy people who hate evolution/slavery is bad/vaccines/masks/wifi They can hate all they want, but how does that change facts? I don't think reasonable people disagree slavery was bad ( it was -- and I will sound a little flippant here -- I think disagreement is over whether everything is racist, which is a very different can of worms ). I know that it is easy to dismiss and write them off as crazy/stupid/what have you, but if they come to those meetings, when 99% of parents don't care, isn't it more important to address those the worries of those that do? Even if they yell.. so what? Let them vent. It is de-escalation 101. I will go even further. Especially, if they are crazy, it is extra important to talk to them just in case you get through to one of them. What you do not want to do, which is what seems to a popular sport these days, is escalate to the point cops get called in. <<And, one assumes, there's some people making valid points that don't get any media attention. Seems like it's something there'd be a record of in minutes of meetings, even if there's no statistics about it. Here we can actually agree and as a future 1% I simply cannot wait to read previous meeting's minutes.
      - mavhc 5y ago
        But if you don't agree with a conspiracy theorist they have to deny that you have a good point, because if they don't their entire worldview collapses, so they'll obviously say "we're not being listened to" If someone who's read a whole book about something wants to criticize it, fair enough, but I'll bet money that 99% of people hating CRT can barely spell CRT Top tip: Don't stand next to a conspiracy theorist, people will think you're a conspiracy theorist. Calm down the crazy people who agree with you so they don't steal all the attention and make you look crazy too.