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>>No one knows what to do to resolve it. That is actually very easy, but hard politically Backpack funding of school choice. End the monopoly of government sc

by syshum 5y ago

>>No one knows what to do to resolve it. That is actually very easy, but hard politically Backpack funding of school choice. End the monopoly of government school districts determining how the money is spent. Let the market, and capitalism work its magic I am sure however most will disagree with this position

mathattack 5y ago
I am a big fan of charter schools, however it’s not quite this simple. Conceptually this is the right thing. (Parents tend to know which schools are best) There are lots of thorny implementation details. Moving to a system where schools can open and close quickly with kids not getting lost in the process is actually very difficult. As we see in Higher Ed, there can be a lot of abuse when the government acts solely as the payer or guarantor. I still agree with your central premise though.
- syshum 5y ago
  The problems are not directly transferable though, Higher Ed there is no pricing controls at all since it is debt funded backed by government with almost unlimited amounts of funding, this is what has cases the explosion in costs You will not, and can not see that with local schools because the majority of them comes directly from local taxation which can not simply print more money to fund their largess like the federal government does. Local tax programs MUST be revenue neutral for the most part, baring limited issue bonds for specific things like building a new building This will limit the amount of backpack funding that would travel with the student. Personally I would not only want to open the backpack funding to charter schools but also allow parents to use that money for Home Schooling curriculum, programs, or creating School "Pods" like we saw during the schools closures where parents pool resources to hire tutors for their kids I think we need massive innovation in schooling, including things like Homeschooling, schooling pods, MOOC's, and charter schools
bsder 5y ago
> Backpack funding of school choice. End the monopoly of government school districts determining how the money is spent. Let the market, and capitalism work its magic The problem is that you need to define a minimum standard--look at the mess left behind by the coding bootcamps that weren't up to scratch. At which point you are back to the original issue. In addition, everybody magically thinks that their child won't be the one that charter schools will exclude. The vast majority of parents will be in for a very rude awakening. If your child causes any trouble, they will be punted from the school very quickly and good luck getting into the next one. A friend of mine put it best: "Having to manage just my own daughter's education through the lockdown was a nightmare. I can't imagine managing 30 students and their parents on a daily basis."
- syshum 5y ago
  >>The vast majority of parents will be in for a very rude awakening. If your child causes any trouble, they will be punted from the school very quickly and good luck getting into the next one. Maybe parents need to start actually parenting again and stop with the new age non-sense we have seen in atleast the last generation. Your child should not be allowed to scream, yell, and throw a tantrum in public while the parents just laugh and say "ohh kids will be kids" bull shit. If I did that as a Child.. well lets just say I would not have been a fun time. (edit: do be clear I do not mean corporal punishment, my parents had a no hitting rule however I also knew I would be punished in various ways should I not follow the rules, or be respectful in public) The idea that it should be acceptable for child to "cause trouble" in school is the problem, not that the school would remove them. Used to the biggest threat you could make to a child is "I am going to call your parents" today if a school does that chances are Karen is going to show up and tell the school how great their snowflake is, and how it is school or business that is the problem not that child. Children are not held to any acceptable standards of behavior or responsibility for their actions
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    Maybe parents need to be able to survive without two jobs each so they actually have time to be parents.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> Let the market, and capitalism work its magic Markets are not magic. Poor parents will still be stuck with shitty schools teaching their children because reputable ones won't want to serve their area, leaving an effective monopoly to prey on them. Hell, chances are even if it started with a thriving competitive market it would, before long, conglomerate into an effective monopoly anyway. That's the biggest problem with "free" markets, the big players can ensure they are rarely fair markets by throwing their weight around.
- syshum 5y ago
  There is exactly zero evidence to support your thesis, please show me where this has happen in the places where backpack funding has accorded. Poor parents are the ones that are helped the MOST by backpack funding, rich people already send their children to better schools, no one wants to send their child to government schools, NO ONE. they all suck They are forced to by economic circumstance and government regulation, backpack funding removes both of those obstruction Further this idea that it would devolve into an "effective monopoly" is not backed by any data of any market, and should such a result occur it will likely be a direct result of restrictions placed on the funding by government (i.e no religious schools, no online schools, no co'ops, no education pods, no homeschooling programs, etc) In my mind backpack funding should be a widely open to just about any educational resources not just brick and mortar schools in the local geographic region that teach the exact same curriculum as the local public schools. That would be pointless
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    > Further this idea that it would devolve into an "effective monopoly" is not backed by any data of any market I'm sorry, do we live on the same planet? This happens in all sorts of markets all the time. I agree that public school system sucks, but I think one of the reasons it sucks is that the wealthy people don't have to deal with it and see it only as an additional tax they have to pay and therefore fight against its efficacy as a means to justifying its elimination. Unfortunately this plagues all government institutions.
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by syshum 5y ago

mathattack 5y ago

I am a big fan of charter schools, however it’s not quite this simple. Conceptually this is the right thing. (Parents tend to know which schools are best) There are lots of thorny implementation details. Moving to a system where schools can open and close quickly with kids not getting lost in the process is actually very difficult. As we see in Higher Ed, there can be a lot of abuse when the government acts solely as the payer or guarantor. I still agree with your central premise though.

syshum 5y ago
The problems are not directly transferable though, Higher Ed there is no pricing controls at all since it is debt funded backed by government with almost unlimited amounts of funding, this is what has cases the explosion in costs You will not, and can not see that with local schools because the majority of them comes directly from local taxation which can not simply print more money to fund their largess like the federal government does. Local tax programs MUST be revenue neutral for the most part, baring limited issue bonds for specific things like building a new building This will limit the amount of backpack funding that would travel with the student. Personally I would not only want to open the backpack funding to charter schools but also allow parents to use that money for Home Schooling curriculum, programs, or creating School "Pods" like we saw during the schools closures where parents pool resources to hire tutors for their kids I think we need massive innovation in schooling, including things like Homeschooling, schooling pods, MOOC's, and charter schools

bsder 5y ago

> Backpack funding of school choice. End the monopoly of government school districts determining how the money is spent. Let the market, and capitalism work its magic The problem is that you need to define a minimum standard--look at the mess left behind by the coding bootcamps that weren't up to scratch. At which point you are back to the original issue. In addition, everybody magically thinks that their child won't be the one that charter schools will exclude. The vast majority of parents will be in for a very rude awakening. If your child causes any trouble, they will be punted from the school very quickly and good luck getting into the next one. A friend of mine put it best: "Having to manage just my own daughter's education through the lockdown was a nightmare. I can't imagine managing 30 students and their parents on a daily basis."

syshum 5y ago
>>The vast majority of parents will be in for a very rude awakening. If your child causes any trouble, they will be punted from the school very quickly and good luck getting into the next one. Maybe parents need to start actually parenting again and stop with the new age non-sense we have seen in atleast the last generation. Your child should not be allowed to scream, yell, and throw a tantrum in public while the parents just laugh and say "ohh kids will be kids" bull shit. If I did that as a Child.. well lets just say I would not have been a fun time. (edit: do be clear I do not mean corporal punishment, my parents had a no hitting rule however I also knew I would be punished in various ways should I not follow the rules, or be respectful in public) The idea that it should be acceptable for child to "cause trouble" in school is the problem, not that the school would remove them. Used to the biggest threat you could make to a child is "I am going to call your parents" today if a school does that chances are Karen is going to show up and tell the school how great their snowflake is, and how it is school or business that is the problem not that child. Children are not held to any acceptable standards of behavior or responsibility for their actions
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  Maybe parents need to be able to survive without two jobs each so they actually have time to be parents.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

> Let the market, and capitalism work its magic Markets are not magic. Poor parents will still be stuck with shitty schools teaching their children because reputable ones won't want to serve their area, leaving an effective monopoly to prey on them. Hell, chances are even if it started with a thriving competitive market it would, before long, conglomerate into an effective monopoly anyway. That's the biggest problem with "free" markets, the big players can ensure they are rarely fair markets by throwing their weight around.

syshum 5y ago
There is exactly zero evidence to support your thesis, please show me where this has happen in the places where backpack funding has accorded. Poor parents are the ones that are helped the MOST by backpack funding, rich people already send their children to better schools, no one wants to send their child to government schools, NO ONE. they all suck They are forced to by economic circumstance and government regulation, backpack funding removes both of those obstruction Further this idea that it would devolve into an "effective monopoly" is not backed by any data of any market, and should such a result occur it will likely be a direct result of restrictions placed on the funding by government (i.e no religious schools, no online schools, no co'ops, no education pods, no homeschooling programs, etc) In my mind backpack funding should be a widely open to just about any educational resources not just brick and mortar schools in the local geographic region that teach the exact same curriculum as the local public schools. That would be pointless
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  > Further this idea that it would devolve into an "effective monopoly" is not backed by any data of any market I'm sorry, do we live on the same planet? This happens in all sorts of markets all the time. I agree that public school system sucks, but I think one of the reasons it sucks is that the wealthy people don't have to deal with it and see it only as an additional tax they have to pay and therefore fight against its efficacy as a means to justifying its elimination. Unfortunately this plagues all government institutions.
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