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Unfortunately Wikipedia has also been heading in a disappointing direction. I now expect everything on there to be filtered through a specific political perspec

by janto 5y ago

Unfortunately Wikipedia has also been heading in a disappointing direction. I now expect everything on there to be filtered through a specific political perspective. Deleting information is much easier than adding, so pesky facts are unlikely to persist.

Kye 5y ago
It does seem that many pages get claimed by one editor or another who sees it as their domain, but I haven't seen any study on the politics of these wiki fiefdoms. Most I see are conservative, sometimes extreme.
danielheath 5y ago
Somewhat true of the main pages; if you want to know whether something controversial is being left out, check the talk page.
prionassembly 5y ago
The Wikipedia process is still pretty good last time I checked? There was a notability challenge in en.wikipedia on Olavo de Carvalho, a Steve Bannon type who wrote some philosophy books (like -- on Aristotle and Epicurus) as a younger man (and keeps getting his "philosopher" self-nomination challenged because he didn't go and get a college major in philosophy). I was for keeping the page, but on balance I think the process, arguments and result were fair -- even if almost certainly carrying some underlying political motivation. We have to focus on the process. It's the only way to general axiology.
- janto 5y ago
  I don't have faith in the process anymore. Wiki-lawyering to remove content, is too effective. To what end? Saving disk space? I'm no longer motivated to fight deletionism in my domain. I don't want to spend time that is not appreciated. I suspect that as soon as a page is tagged for deletion by someone, others that enjoy being the arbiters of what is and is not WP, flock there. If they lack interest in the topic, they will vote to remove with many technical reasons. Statements that others do find it relevant or interesting, are simply ignored.
alithejumbo 5y ago
I second this opinion about Wikipedia.

by janto 5y ago

Kye 5y ago

It does seem that many pages get claimed by one editor or another who sees it as their domain, but I haven't seen any study on the politics of these wiki fiefdoms. Most I see are conservative, sometimes extreme.

danielheath 5y ago

Somewhat true of the main pages; if you want to know whether something controversial is being left out, check the talk page.

prionassembly 5y ago

The Wikipedia process is still pretty good last time I checked? There was a notability challenge in en.wikipedia on Olavo de Carvalho, a Steve Bannon type who wrote some philosophy books (like -- on Aristotle and Epicurus) as a younger man (and keeps getting his "philosopher" self-nomination challenged because he didn't go and get a college major in philosophy). I was for keeping the page, but on balance I think the process, arguments and result were fair -- even if almost certainly carrying some underlying political motivation. We have to focus on the process. It's the only way to general axiology.

janto 5y ago
I don't have faith in the process anymore. Wiki-lawyering to remove content, is too effective. To what end? Saving disk space? I'm no longer motivated to fight deletionism in my domain. I don't want to spend time that is not appreciated. I suspect that as soon as a page is tagged for deletion by someone, others that enjoy being the arbiters of what is and is not WP, flock there. If they lack interest in the topic, they will vote to remove with many technical reasons. Statements that others do find it relevant or interesting, are simply ignored.

alithejumbo 5y ago

I second this opinion about Wikipedia.