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Or they'll just move closer to work, or will implement Home Office, or will demand public transport (which can be combined with bicycles), or will drive electri

Or they'll just move closer to work, or will implement Home Office, or will demand public transport (which can be combined with bicycles), or will drive electric (car, ebike, electric scooter/motor cycles) or will drive as groups instead of individuals, or a dividend will implemented making this scenario unlikely in the first place while still enabling carbon taxes.

yunohn 5y ago
> they'll just move closer to work This is often way more expensive than paying for heating. > will implement Home Office This only works for well paying IT jobs. Not the working class that actually physically work at factories, stores, restaurants, hospitals, etc etc that are underpaid and hit the most by taxes. > will demand public transport Demands are cool and everything, but you can’t sit around jobless for 1-2 decades waiting for laws to pass and municipalities to build out the transport infrastructure. > will drive electric Very few cities have the infrastructure for this. Once that’s fixed, carbon taxation would work better. > drive as groups instead of individuals This already happens in Europe, but people are still wage slaves. It changes nothing.
- gefhfff 5y ago
  Another option: get work nearby. Some jobs will also get pay raises if there is demand for them, but people can't afford to take them. Working remote doesn't work just for IT, and I didn't claim everything works for everybody. And incrementally increased taxation will allow for planning. Poor people have a low enough foot print to profit with a dividend anyways. The real problem with carbon taxing is that it must be realized globally
  - yunohn 5y ago
    I’ve lived in the USA, EU, and Asia. Very very rarely can you get a job near your housing (suburbs) - residential vs commercial areas are intentionally zoned against this. Getting housing near your work (city center) is much easier, due to mixed zoning, but obviously way more expensive. > profit with a dividend anyways See, the thing is, there are no carbon dividends yet. We do have lots of carbon-like taxes (in the EU and elsewhere) though. So, there’s only loss, no gain.
    - gefhfff 5y ago
      So you have found things to be changed (back). Same goes for shops having centralized a lot especially in the US at it seems, while local shops are much more bicycle or even foot friendly. Generally, there is no silver bullet, but there are a lot of possible solutions as you can see. And I am sure I didn't include most of them > See, the thing is, there are no carbon dividends yet. We do have lots of carbon-like taxes (in the EU and elsewhere) though. So, there’s only loss, no gain. Well, what not is ...
      - yunohn 5y ago
        > Generally, there is no silver bullet I’m not ascribing to a perfection mindset. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of the elites telling others how to live their lives, while simultaneously finding ways to further suppress them. “We could have an ideal world, if you just stopped doing everything that enables your survival. Me? I just make/support the rules - despite them not materially affecting me.”

yunohn 5y ago

> they'll just move closer to work This is often way more expensive than paying for heating. > will implement Home Office This only works for well paying IT jobs. Not the working class that actually physically work at factories, stores, restaurants, hospitals, etc etc that are underpaid and hit the most by taxes. > will demand public transport Demands are cool and everything, but you can’t sit around jobless for 1-2 decades waiting for laws to pass and municipalities to build out the transport infrastructure. > will drive electric Very few cities have the infrastructure for this. Once that’s fixed, carbon taxation would work better. > drive as groups instead of individuals This already happens in Europe, but people are still wage slaves. It changes nothing.

gefhfff 5y ago
Another option: get work nearby. Some jobs will also get pay raises if there is demand for them, but people can't afford to take them. Working remote doesn't work just for IT, and I didn't claim everything works for everybody. And incrementally increased taxation will allow for planning. Poor people have a low enough foot print to profit with a dividend anyways. The real problem with carbon taxing is that it must be realized globally
- yunohn 5y ago
  I’ve lived in the USA, EU, and Asia. Very very rarely can you get a job near your housing (suburbs) - residential vs commercial areas are intentionally zoned against this. Getting housing near your work (city center) is much easier, due to mixed zoning, but obviously way more expensive. > profit with a dividend anyways See, the thing is, there are no carbon dividends yet. We do have lots of carbon-like taxes (in the EU and elsewhere) though. So, there’s only loss, no gain.
  - gefhfff 5y ago
    So you have found things to be changed (back). Same goes for shops having centralized a lot especially in the US at it seems, while local shops are much more bicycle or even foot friendly. Generally, there is no silver bullet, but there are a lot of possible solutions as you can see. And I am sure I didn't include most of them > See, the thing is, there are no carbon dividends yet. We do have lots of carbon-like taxes (in the EU and elsewhere) though. So, there’s only loss, no gain. Well, what not is ...
    - yunohn 5y ago
      > Generally, there is no silver bullet I’m not ascribing to a perfection mindset. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of the elites telling others how to live their lives, while simultaneously finding ways to further suppress them. “We could have an ideal world, if you just stopped doing everything that enables your survival. Me? I just make/support the rules - despite them not materially affecting me.”