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> When a state attacks, on-mass, its own citizens it's essentially failed. Absent a functioning state, any outsider can do what they want here: invade, preferab
by barry-cotter 5y ago
> When a state attacks, on-mass, its own citizens it's essentially failed. Absent a functioning state, any outsider can do what they want here: invade, preferably.
A failed state isn't one that does thngs you don't like. China doesn't like that there are many, many countries where you can say bad things about China. It's one that can't control very large parts of its territory or get things done. Being evil and failing are separate concepts. The Qing killed the Dzhungars. They eradicated an entire ethnic group. That was a strong state, not a failed one.
And of course outsiders can invade if they're willing to put up with the consequences. International law is and always has been a farce, from Grotius making up the law of the sea to protect Dutch weakness in Northern European waters when they were abusing all round them in the East Indies, to the victor's "justice" of the Nuremberg trials to the differing treatments of genocide depending on great power sponsorship. At its most farcical you have puppet regimes of the "international community" like the Somali or Afghan puppets.
You can invade if you're willing to pay for it.
- asimpletune 5y agoWhat was wrong with Nuremberg?
- lostlogin 5y agoThe section titled ‘Criticism’ in the Wiki is a good starting point. The allied victors made laws then retroactively applied them. Why was there so little reflection, consequence or punishment for allied murders, rapes and killings? Why were these new laws only applied to the loser? The Nuremberg trials have been described as show trials and organised lynching by the victors. The Soviets provided a judge who had helped oversee purges in the ‘30s where hundreds of thousands were murdered by the Soviet state. While the defendants perhaps got what they deserved, they did not get a fair trial or the opportunity to voice inconvenient truths. The sentencing was unequal and illogical - why did Speer get the sentence he got? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
- asimpletune 5y agoThanks for taking the time to write that, looks super interesting. I will definitely check it out.
- ben_w 5y agoI think the argument here is “not enough governments were put on trial”.