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Jordan B Petterson has a podcast on this topic. This spreading fear has to stop
by winnerdev 5y ago
Jordan B Petterson has a podcast on this topic. This spreading fear has to stop
- hef19898 5y agoJordan Petterson is too much in love with himself to be taken seriously anymore.
- friendly_chap 5y agoAs a casual follower of him, I would like to hear more of your opinion about the guy, please. To me he doesn't seem too self centered?
- DocTomoe 5y agoHe has become pretty radicalised lately - less so in his videos/podcasts, but his Twitter feed has become ... unpleasant and often more reminiscent of a right-wing pundit than the more stoic/therapeutical approach he had before his hospitalisation. It's either that, or he allowed someone to take over his social media channels and does not check on content.
- simondotau 5y agohttps://decoding-the-gurus.captivate.fm/episode/jordan-peterson-the-alchemical-nature-of-a-lemon-explains-the-crystalline-structure-of-logos https://decoding-the-gurus.captivate.fm/episode/jordan-peter... (Topic starts at 9:30)
- goodpoint 5y agoJordan Peterson talks about many topics he's not trained in without citing reliable sources.
- gdsdfe 5y agoLike 100% of people ... I think people need to stop thinking that others with a bit of fame are somewhat special or always right etc.
- rowanG077 5y agoIsn't this just appeal to authority in different clothes? I mean most conversations going on between people are people talking about things they are not trained in and they don't cite reliable sources.
- zupa-hu 5y agoAh I am totally tired of these comments (parent). It’s like according to them you can’t say anything without citing a source. [1] [1] citation needed
- Chris2048 5y agoWhenever people posted something I disagreed with, or specifically doubted, I would respond by asking them to cite sources. I was consistently downvoted for doing so, as if I was trolling; so I stopped. HN is a place for interesting discussion, not correct discourse, apparently. So, we either need to establish this as a place where IMHO is always implicit, or where it's reasonable to ask for source to anything claimed to be factual. Right now, the rule is "Citation needed for things I find inconvenient, free pass for anything I care not to question".
- zupa-hu 5y agoI think the issue is both the commanding tone most of the time that the commenter who submitted the claim somehow must do the work of finding a citation and posting it as proof. But what _is_ a citation after all? Just someone else saying the same thing. The problem is, then we can't have original ideas as those would be first thoughts. Also, just because a citation can be provided doesn't make it true or false. So it comes off as if commanding to provide a citation is purely used for shutting off the commenter. Just the tone 'citation needed' contains the implicit assumption that the citation is _needed_. No it's not. Whoever asks it is simply using higher authority as a weapon, because often, it's impossible to provide citation. And even if it is possible, it requires significant time-cost. This is a forum, not a dissertation. Let's discuss the merits of the idea instead.
- refurb 5y agoIsn’t he a train psychologist? I mean a professor at University of Toronto? PhD at McGill, spent time at Harvard? Seems he’d be a reliable expert on things like how to mentally process global warming?!?
- goodpoint 5y agoHe is and, no, being a psychologist does not make able to tell people what to think. For example clinical psychologist are specifically trained not to pass down their own personal opinions about politics and social issues to their patients. Also being a psychologist does not make you a philosopher, anthropologist, sociologist, political analyst and so on.
- Intermernet 5y agoYou can't just put "mentally process" in front of a subject and then claim that a psychologist is the person to be a reliable expert in them. Is he a reliable expert in how to "mentally process quantum mechanics"? How about how to "mentally process epidemiology"?
- DocTomoe 5y agoSure. But a trained psychologist is capable of commenting on hysteria about pretty much everything, including global warming. And that the kids marching in their little organised-by-adult-pied-piper protests suffer from a form of induced mass hysteria is obvious to anyone who read the medical definition of mass psychogenic illness.
- Intermernet 5y agoWhat about all the trained professional climatologists pleading for the last few decades for the governments of the world to change their policies? Is that mass hysteria as well?
- DocTomoe 5y agoSo if one's standpoint is ignored and "noble" enough, it is acceptable to talk children into anxiety disorders so that these noble ideas will be acted upon? I find this morally questionable, but that's just me.
- Dma54rhs 5y agoYou can shut down the conversation about global warming with the same method - kids are not trained or experienced enough to ask for huge politics changes fixing climate change. Back to school, get a job first and all the standard phrases. I don't think it helps with the discussion either way.
- yosito 5y agoA guy who sells rules for life while is own life is in shambles and a life that few people would want... why should I listen to what he thinks about anything?
- refurb 5y agoDid you have a criticism of his ideas or just resorting to attacking his personal life?
- prepend 5y agoI’m not sure Id say his life is in shambles, but I don’t think, logically, your post makes sense. Philosophy doesn’t have to be based on individual actions and results to be helpful. Would you say Socrates shouldn’t be listened to because his life ended in shambles? Peterson isn’t anywhere near Socrates, but I find it interesting that you would discount his information because of his personal life.
- yosito 5y agoWas Socrates a drug addict trying to give people mental health advice for money?
- roenxi 5y agoI am put in mind of a really great passage on Wikipedia. There is no requirement that people lead a conventional life before passing out some good ideas. > ... There he passed his philosophy of Cynicism to Crates, who taught it to Zeno of Citium, who fashioned it into the school of Stoicism, one of the most enduring schools of Greek philosophy... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes
- Intermernet 5y agoJordan Peterson says many things in an authoritative manner. I don't really agree with him on many of them. Interesting video from Youtuber Tom Nicholas regarding Peterson's take on Orwell, "Western culture", religion and various other subjects: https://youtu.be/BQWjyo1m0Yg https://youtu.be/BQWjyo1m0Yg "Jordan Peterson doesn't understand George Orwell"
- rc_mob 5y agoThat guy is wrong on many topics more often than he is right. You should not take him too seriously.