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As Italian I really suggest to buy a Kamira (https://www.espressokamira.net/ https://www.espressokamira.net/) if you want to make espresso at home without an au

As Italian I really suggest to buy a Kamira (https://www.espressokamira.net/ https://www.espressokamira.net/) if you want to make espresso at home without an automatic cofee machine. Coffee made with moka is great, but it's a little different from the espresso. With Kamira, you can have espresso with the simplicity and portability of a moka.

toyg 5y ago
Ooh, thanks for this pointer - it could free me from the slavery of Nespresso... TBH it looks like it cannot entirely match the simplicity of Nespresso (I can drop a capsule and push a button in the morning when I don't even know my name, and there is nothing to clean), but it looks much cheaper, definitely easier on the environment, and a great bootstrap story coming from a "difficult" part of Italy.
271828182846 5y ago
that's an interesting design. never seen that anywhere. do they hold the patent but fail to scale beyond italy? I find usual espresso machines to be too complicated and technical - also too expensive.
- lormayna 5y ago
  > do they hold the patent but fail to scale beyond italy? Probably yes. It's just a "new" technology, so I don't know what are their plans for the future.
  - JanSt 5y ago
    how does the taste compare to a "normal" espresso machine? I'm currently using ESE pads with a La Piccola machine but want to move on because of all the trash the packaging of pads makes. The taste is quite good though, even compared to a "normal" espresso machine. edit: and how hard is it to find the correct temperature? I've often had the problem of my Bialetti getting to hot on the stove https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5-tBAiOM0&list=PLKby2eyvN3saw3nBL6jV8x7ND0MPYjpCo&index=7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5-tBAiOM0&list=PLKby2eyvN3... looks really foamy, I'm not sure whether that's a good thing?
    - lormayna 5y ago
      > how does the taste compare to a "normal" espresso machine? The taste is really comparable with the espresso that you can get at the bar. > how hard is it to find the correct temperature? This is the real issue with Kamira. Finding the perfect temperature is a bit tricky and it's not easy to do if you are in hurry in the morning. > looks really foamy, I'm not sure whether that's a good thing? The foam is fine.
      - JanSt 5y ago
        thanks!
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detritus 5y ago
Ooh, thank you - I think I see a potential present for my Italian Partner, grazie! (She's recently been using a Nespresso ..spit Thing - a gift from her parents no less - over her usual Bialetti, and I refuse to make her a morning coffee using the damned thing. This might put us back on the path to morning harmony :) )
- lormayna 5y ago
  For sure! She will appreciate it as the espresso that she can drink at the bar in Italy for 1€/cup
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2dvisio 5y ago
Have tried the Kamira. Apart from it being a bit weird looking, the coffe does come out really good. Not an espresso though, but a very good coffee.
zemvpferreira 5y ago
Thank you for the suggestion, I just ordered one as a christmas present for my girlfriend! Worth noting they offer a really cheap personalized message option and are on black friday sale till the 30th!

toyg 5y ago

Ooh, thanks for this pointer - it could free me from the slavery of Nespresso... TBH it looks like it cannot entirely match the simplicity of Nespresso (I can drop a capsule and push a button in the morning when I don't even know my name, and there is nothing to clean), but it looks much cheaper, definitely easier on the environment, and a great bootstrap story coming from a "difficult" part of Italy.

271828182846 5y ago

that's an interesting design. never seen that anywhere. do they hold the patent but fail to scale beyond italy? I find usual espresso machines to be too complicated and technical - also too expensive.

lormayna 5y ago
> do they hold the patent but fail to scale beyond italy? Probably yes. It's just a "new" technology, so I don't know what are their plans for the future.
- JanSt 5y ago
  how does the taste compare to a "normal" espresso machine? I'm currently using ESE pads with a La Piccola machine but want to move on because of all the trash the packaging of pads makes. The taste is quite good though, even compared to a "normal" espresso machine. edit: and how hard is it to find the correct temperature? I've often had the problem of my Bialetti getting to hot on the stove https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5-tBAiOM0&list=PLKby2eyvN3saw3nBL6jV8x7ND0MPYjpCo&index=7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5-tBAiOM0&list=PLKby2eyvN3... looks really foamy, I'm not sure whether that's a good thing?
  - lormayna 5y ago
    > how does the taste compare to a "normal" espresso machine? The taste is really comparable with the espresso that you can get at the bar. > how hard is it to find the correct temperature? This is the real issue with Kamira. Finding the perfect temperature is a bit tricky and it's not easy to do if you are in hurry in the morning. > looks really foamy, I'm not sure whether that's a good thing? The foam is fine.
    - JanSt 5y ago
      thanks!
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detritus 5y ago

Ooh, thank you - I think I see a potential present for my Italian Partner, grazie! (She's recently been using a Nespresso ..spit Thing - a gift from her parents no less - over her usual Bialetti, and I refuse to make her a morning coffee using the damned thing. This might put us back on the path to morning harmony :) )

lormayna 5y ago
For sure! She will appreciate it as the espresso that she can drink at the bar in Italy for 1€/cup

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2dvisio 5y ago

Have tried the Kamira. Apart from it being a bit weird looking, the coffe does come out really good. Not an espresso though, but a very good coffee.

zemvpferreira 5y ago

Thank you for the suggestion, I just ordered one as a christmas present for my girlfriend! Worth noting they offer a really cheap personalized message option and are on black friday sale till the 30th!