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Like I said in another response to you, it's a wonderful coincidence for a totalitarian government to be ruling over people who are so naturally deferential. Th

by bardan 5y ago

Like I said in another response to you, it's a wonderful coincidence for a totalitarian government to be ruling over people who are so naturally deferential. There is no evidence of innate deference to totalitarian governments in Chinese people. Given environments out of control of the CCP, like Hong Kong or Taiwan, Chinese people eagerly engage in democratic processes.

FooBarWidget 5y ago
If you think that it's impossible for Chinese (or other countries in general) to have a different attitude towards government then you should watch some videos by Kishore Mahbubani, ex-UN Security Council head, ex-Singapore diplomat. For example https://youtu.be/zBpmm5hdbFQ https://youtu.be/zBpmm5hdbFQ Furthermore, the characterization of China being "totalitarian" is wrong because China is in no way comparable to the likes of North Korea or Saudi Arabia. You should check out the works of political science professor Daniel A. Bell: https://youtu.be/ckt94_JWHPs https://youtu.be/ckt94_JWHPs This isn't a "coincidence". The Chinese government has evolved to its current form because of Chinese values. The CCP won the civil war because it had support of the majority of the population.
- bardan 5y ago
  This is what totalitarian governments always claim. "We are the deterministic result of the people organizing themselves", generally a single ethnic group. Conveniently this also means an attack on the party is an attack on the ethnic group. The CCP was formed in the chaos of the early 20th century, buoyed by the Soviets, and maintained its power in part by astonishing acts of brutality on the Chinese people. If the "Chinese peoples values" you're referring to includes a significant streak of sadomasochism you can fill me in.
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    What? An attack on the party is not seen as an attack on Han man. You can't just conveniently draw false comparisons between western paradigms and China. You keep saying unsubstantiated stereotypes while I keep posting sources. Han supremacism — while it exists — is largely not a thing and certainly not state policy. State policy is that minorities receive extra benefits that Han do not enjoy, and that the provincial government heads of minority provinces must be of those ethnicities. Please go to China and tell a Chaoxianzu he's not Chinese. He'll tell you to fuck off. Please go to China and tell people that the KMT should have won the civil war and see how people react.

by bardan 5y ago

FooBarWidget 5y ago

If you think that it's impossible for Chinese (or other countries in general) to have a different attitude towards government then you should watch some videos by Kishore Mahbubani, ex-UN Security Council head, ex-Singapore diplomat. For example https://youtu.be/zBpmm5hdbFQ https://youtu.be/zBpmm5hdbFQ Furthermore, the characterization of China being "totalitarian" is wrong because China is in no way comparable to the likes of North Korea or Saudi Arabia. You should check out the works of political science professor Daniel A. Bell: https://youtu.be/ckt94_JWHPs https://youtu.be/ckt94_JWHPs This isn't a "coincidence". The Chinese government has evolved to its current form because of Chinese values. The CCP won the civil war because it had support of the majority of the population.

bardan 5y ago
This is what totalitarian governments always claim. "We are the deterministic result of the people organizing themselves", generally a single ethnic group. Conveniently this also means an attack on the party is an attack on the ethnic group. The CCP was formed in the chaos of the early 20th century, buoyed by the Soviets, and maintained its power in part by astonishing acts of brutality on the Chinese people. If the "Chinese peoples values" you're referring to includes a significant streak of sadomasochism you can fill me in.
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  What? An attack on the party is not seen as an attack on Han man. You can't just conveniently draw false comparisons between western paradigms and China. You keep saying unsubstantiated stereotypes while I keep posting sources. Han supremacism — while it exists — is largely not a thing and certainly not state policy. State policy is that minorities receive extra benefits that Han do not enjoy, and that the provincial government heads of minority provinces must be of those ethnicities. Please go to China and tell a Chaoxianzu he's not Chinese. He'll tell you to fuck off. Please go to China and tell people that the KMT should have won the civil war and see how people react.