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What machine are you referring to?

by calmoo 5y ago

enriquto 5y ago
I don't want to make publicity of a brand here, but I just went to a local shop and got the smallest one that got to 19 bar. It makes excellent expressos with cream and all (if you buy appropriately ground coffee). EDIT: just look for "thin espresso machine" on a search engine, there's plenty of choice!
- 2rsf 5y ago
  Nespresso's promise 19 bar as well, but they use a simple PTC element to heat the water as they pass over it so in reality it's "up to 19 bar"
- ValentineC 5y ago
  > It makes excellent expressos with cream and all (if you buy appropriately ground coffee). Most cheap espresso machines achieve crema and pressure via a pressurised portafilter [1]. Nothing wrong with having one as a beginner, but you're stuck with using coarser grinds because of the always-there pressure, and it limits the number of variables you're able to play with to "dial in" beans. [1] https://coffee.stackexchange.com/questions/2641/how-big-of-a-difference-is-there-between-a-pressurised-and-non-pressurised-porta https://coffee.stackexchange.com/questions/2641/how-big-of-a...
  - enriquto 5y ago
    I'm definitely a "beginner", but still can see that from moka pot to cheap espresso there is a world of difference, and from cheap expresso to "serious" espresso the difference is very subtle (to my tastebuds).
2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
They are probably referring to the Delonghi Dedica. Out of the box it comes with a pressurized basket. If you are not familiar with coffee machines, this type of basket will not give you espresso like at an espresso bar. Coffee ground for espresso on this machine will choke it. Instead it is designed to be more forgiving of grind size. You can put store bought pre-ground coffee in it. The basket itself provides resistance and the value will open when it hits 9bar internally. You can get a normal basket for it since the pump can hit the required pressures for espresso. But they use their own basket size, so just be careful what you get. The steam wand also uses a froth-aider so you won't be getting the silky microfoam that can pour art. I've used the Dedica before and it's ok. For my money I'd get the Breville Bambino if you want this style of machine. I believe the latest model comes with a pressurized and normal basket. And the automated milk steamer is actually quite impressive. Milk foams up well enough to pour art and it does an admirable job at soy milk.

What machine are you referring to?

by calmoo 5y ago

What machine are you referring to?

I don't want to make publicity of a brand here, but I just went to a local shop and got the smallest one that got to 19 bar. It makes excellent expressos with cream and all (if you buy appropriately ground coffee). EDIT: just look for "thin espresso machine" on a search engine, there's plenty of choice!

2rsf 5y ago
Nespresso's promise 19 bar as well, but they use a simple PTC element to heat the water as they pass over it so in reality it's "up to 19 bar"
ValentineC 5y ago
> It makes excellent expressos with cream and all (if you buy appropriately ground coffee). Most cheap espresso machines achieve crema and pressure via a pressurised portafilter [1]. Nothing wrong with having one as a beginner, but you're stuck with using coarser grinds because of the always-there pressure, and it limits the number of variables you're able to play with to "dial in" beans. [1] https://coffee.stackexchange.com/questions/2641/how-big-of-a-difference-is-there-between-a-pressurised-and-non-pressurised-porta https://coffee.stackexchange.com/questions/2641/how-big-of-a...
- enriquto 5y ago
  I'm definitely a "beginner", but still can see that from moka pot to cheap espresso there is a world of difference, and from cheap expresso to "serious" espresso the difference is very subtle (to my tastebuds).

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago

They are probably referring to the Delonghi Dedica. Out of the box it comes with a pressurized basket. If you are not familiar with coffee machines, this type of basket will not give you espresso like at an espresso bar. Coffee ground for espresso on this machine will choke it. Instead it is designed to be more forgiving of grind size. You can put store bought pre-ground coffee in it. The basket itself provides resistance and the value will open when it hits 9bar internally. You can get a normal basket for it since the pump can hit the required pressures for espresso. But they use their own basket size, so just be careful what you get. The steam wand also uses a froth-aider so you won't be getting the silky microfoam that can pour art. I've used the Dedica before and it's ok. For my money I'd get the Breville Bambino if you want this style of machine. I believe the latest model comes with a pressurized and normal basket. And the automated milk steamer is actually quite impressive. Milk foams up well enough to pour art and it does an admirable job at soy milk.