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Both Chinese and Americans are more or less equally propagandized, the difference is that the Americans don't know it. In China you know that whatever is getti

Both Chinese and Americans are more or less equally propagandized, the difference is that the Americans don't know it. In China you know that whatever is getting media traction has been de facto approved by the Party. In America you have virtually no idea which special interest group is currently lying to you through the media, and they will never be held accountable.

tomatofarmer 5y ago
American trust in media is 36%. I can assure you the vast majority of Americans are extremely skeptical of what they consume. https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-di...
throw10920 5y ago
> Both Chinese and Americans are more or less equally propagandized This implies that the US government has total control over all domestic news outlets, a great firewall that censors the national internet and helps to find and remove references to embarrassing government incidents, policy that requires all companies to hand over all user data to the state unencrypted without a warrant, and a social credit system that can prevent you from getting a job if you make negative comments about the government's policies. I very much would like to see proof of these things, given that I can do internet searches for atrocities like the Tuskegee Experiment, I've never gotten in any sort of trouble for making negative comments about the government, and I can find many news sources that run extremely conspiratorial articles about the same.
- pphysch 5y ago
  > This implies... No, it doesn't. Americans are more or less equally propagandized, but in different (and less transparent) ways.
  - throw10920 5y ago
    ...which you've provided exactly zero evidence for. Please provide concrete evidence of propaganda that's equal in magnitude to the things described above. Otherwise, yes, it rather does imply, because there are very few things similar to the CCP's social credit system that have the same effect, and even fewer that could be deployed in the US without immediately being noticed.

tomatofarmer 5y ago

American trust in media is 36%. I can assure you the vast majority of Americans are extremely skeptical of what they consume. https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-di...

throw10920 5y ago

> Both Chinese and Americans are more or less equally propagandized This implies that the US government has total control over all domestic news outlets, a great firewall that censors the national internet and helps to find and remove references to embarrassing government incidents, policy that requires all companies to hand over all user data to the state unencrypted without a warrant, and a social credit system that can prevent you from getting a job if you make negative comments about the government's policies. I very much would like to see proof of these things, given that I can do internet searches for atrocities like the Tuskegee Experiment, I've never gotten in any sort of trouble for making negative comments about the government, and I can find many news sources that run extremely conspiratorial articles about the same.

pphysch 5y ago
> This implies... No, it doesn't. Americans are more or less equally propagandized, but in different (and less transparent) ways.
- throw10920 5y ago
  ...which you've provided exactly zero evidence for. Please provide concrete evidence of propaganda that's equal in magnitude to the things described above. Otherwise, yes, it rather does imply, because there are very few things similar to the CCP's social credit system that have the same effect, and even fewer that could be deployed in the US without immediately being noticed.