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The Imperial China period from 200-something BC to 1912 had pretty solid control over a fair chunk of what we think of as modern China.
by coredog64 5y ago
The Imperial China period from 200-something BC to 1912 had pretty solid control over a fair chunk of what we think of as modern China.
- DaiPlusPlus 5y agoOne could make a similar argument and generalize about Europeans and claim European unity exists because for most of the past 2,000 years practically all states in Europe were under the influence of the Catholic church in some way or another. China's history is as complicated as any other similarly sized territory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:Divisions_of_Chinese_history.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:D...
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- marcus_holmes 5y agoyes, you're right. There is a view of European history that sees the Roman Empire mutate into the Holy Roman Empire and maintain control over much of Europe for thousands of years (I guess from the end of the Republic in 27BC to the last Holy Roman Emperor in 1806, so not quite "thousands").
- tm-guimaraes 5y agoIt depends what you mean with "roman empire mutate". HRE had no connection to the Roman Empire besides approval by the papacy. Meanwhile, other "nations" entitled their ruler as a successor, bestowing upon them the title of Caesar, Kaiser, Tsar. So, you can link it up until the fall of Imperial Russia. Or you can even keep it up to today with Romania, or even Turkey. When Constantinople fell, there were no lack of claims.
- marcus_holmes 5y agoI'm always fascinated by the idea that some political genius way back in the 4th century realised that the Roman Empire was doomed as a military empire, but could survive as a church (of all things), and then managed to persuade everyone that this was a good idea and get it done. The Roman Empire changed its previous policy of wide tolerance regarding religion, adopted what had been a weird cult as the state religion, and survived its military annihilation (at least in the West - as you say, the story in the East is different).
- dnautics 5y agoalmost no one seriously thinks of European history like that, except as a fun thought exercise.