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The word “perhaps” is perhaps wrong The largest studies have shown the opposite — natural immunity is far more robust and long-lasting (but perhaps more variab

by EGreg 5y ago

The word “perhaps” is perhaps wrong The largest studies have shown the opposite — natural immunity is far more robust and long-lasting (but perhaps more variable in the population — which is why they want everyone to be vaccinated, even if they just recovered from a severe case of the virus last week - it’s ridiculous).

sammalloy 5y ago
That’s a GOP talking point, not science. The science says the opposite: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/should-you-get-vaccinated-if-you-had-covid-natural-immunity-explained.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/should-you-get-vaccinated-if... > And even if you have lots of natural immunity, getting vaccinated significantly boosts your chances of staying healthy, according to data published last month by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The agency studied more than 7,000 people, and found that unvaccinated people who’d recovered from Covid were five times as likely to catch it again, compared to people who got two doses of an mRNA vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna. […] > Combining vaccination with natural immunity gives you a “hybrid immunity,” which provides even more protection than vaccination alone — sending your antibody levels to “astronomical levels that outpace what you get from two doses of vaccine alone,” Rishi Goel, an immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania, told Nature last month.
- EGreg 5y ago
  Seems a lot of science around the world is controlled by the US GOP eh https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-im... https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/natural-immunity-after-covid-19-found-durable-and-robust https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/natural-immunity-after... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-x https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-x https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/10/18/prior-covid-infection-is-as-effective-at-preventing-the-virus-as-vaccination-uk-study-suggests/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/10/18/prior-c... This is concluded in the most prestigious scientific journals including: Nature Cell Science Scientific American and preprints on Medrhiv When the LARGEST studies in Israel and UK bear this out — so what if the outcomes of the largest studies are a talking point for someone?
  - sammalloy 5y ago
    You’re repeatedly posting and appealing to old discredited claims that have been evaluated as /false/ by the medical community. https://healthfeedback.org/evaluation/misleading-wall-street-journal-opinion-piece-makes-the-unsubstantiated-claim-that-the-u-s-will-have-herd-immunity-by-april-2021/ https://healthfeedback.org/evaluation/misleading-wall-street... It’s really sad that you are expending this much effort pushing and promoting fringe medical ideas that have no consensus. “Natural immunity” is the rallying cry of the anti-vax movement, and it’s been wholly discredited. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/anti-vaxxers-have-a-dangerous-theory-called-natural-immunity-now-its-going-mainstream/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/anti-vaxxers-ha...
- dham 5y ago
  > Combining vaccination with natural immunity gives you a “hybrid immunity,” which provides even more protection than vaccination alone No that's cutting edge science hypothesis. Geez why are people posting that like it's a fact. Most of all this stuff is cutting edge. There's a danger that the vaccine can override natural immunity which is...not ideal
erhk 5y ago
Please get vaccinated.
somewhereoutth 5y ago
*disease induced immunity and some sources would be nice for your claim.

by EGreg 5y ago

sammalloy 5y ago

That’s a GOP talking point, not science. The science says the opposite: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/should-you-get-vaccinated-if-you-had-covid-natural-immunity-explained.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/should-you-get-vaccinated-if... > And even if you have lots of natural immunity, getting vaccinated significantly boosts your chances of staying healthy, according to data published last month by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The agency studied more than 7,000 people, and found that unvaccinated people who’d recovered from Covid were five times as likely to catch it again, compared to people who got two doses of an mRNA vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna. […] > Combining vaccination with natural immunity gives you a “hybrid immunity,” which provides even more protection than vaccination alone — sending your antibody levels to “astronomical levels that outpace what you get from two doses of vaccine alone,” Rishi Goel, an immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania, told Nature last month.

EGreg 5y ago
Seems a lot of science around the world is controlled by the US GOP eh https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-im... https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/natural-immunity-after-covid-19-found-durable-and-robust https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/natural-immunity-after... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-x https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-x https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/10/18/prior-covid-infection-is-as-effective-at-preventing-the-virus-as-vaccination-uk-study-suggests/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/10/18/prior-c... This is concluded in the most prestigious scientific journals including: Nature Cell Science Scientific American and preprints on Medrhiv When the LARGEST studies in Israel and UK bear this out — so what if the outcomes of the largest studies are a talking point for someone?
- sammalloy 5y ago
  You’re repeatedly posting and appealing to old discredited claims that have been evaluated as /false/ by the medical community. https://healthfeedback.org/evaluation/misleading-wall-street-journal-opinion-piece-makes-the-unsubstantiated-claim-that-the-u-s-will-have-herd-immunity-by-april-2021/ https://healthfeedback.org/evaluation/misleading-wall-street... It’s really sad that you are expending this much effort pushing and promoting fringe medical ideas that have no consensus. “Natural immunity” is the rallying cry of the anti-vax movement, and it’s been wholly discredited. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/anti-vaxxers-have-a-dangerous-theory-called-natural-immunity-now-its-going-mainstream/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/anti-vaxxers-ha...
dham 5y ago
> Combining vaccination with natural immunity gives you a “hybrid immunity,” which provides even more protection than vaccination alone No that's cutting edge science hypothesis. Geez why are people posting that like it's a fact. Most of all this stuff is cutting edge. There's a danger that the vaccine can override natural immunity which is...not ideal

erhk 5y ago

Please get vaccinated.

somewhereoutth 5y ago

*disease induced immunity and some sources would be nice for your claim.