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There's a lot to quibble with, here. But I find this interesting/worthwhile overall because it demonstrates just how broad and deep the landscape of dead ends

There's a lot to quibble with, here. But I find this interesting/worthwhile overall because it demonstrates just how broad and deep the landscape of dead ends is.

dnautics 5y ago
Even Ansible is dead by now.
- sorum 5y ago
  Who (or what) is the contender to replace Ansible?
  - dnautics 5y ago
    Containerization in general?
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
      Who configures and installs software on the container hosts? How do you deploy applications directly on bare metal or VMs? Those are still sometimes required or preferred for various reasons. IMO, you can speak about the death of bare metal (which is slowly happening), but definitely not tools like Ansible. They've found their niche.
  - chucky_z 5y ago
    I think Nix is most poised. If you don’t have a way to do immutable infrastructure, Ansible is still extremely alive.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  Extremely, absolutely, definitely no. It's alive and well, and still being used for new deployments.
  - dnautics 5y ago
    There was a time when every startup used it. Now I don't know any startup that is. I suppose it's possible that the big infra managers use it with their teams. -- I wouldn't know, but the necessity for Ansible by the bulk of developers has evaporated due to containerization.
    - ushakov 5y ago
      Mail.ru and Yandex used it, i've seen people deploy their Kotlin web apps
    - Spivak 5y ago
      Ansible + Terraform is basically the modern infra stack if you’re not on k8s.
    - unixhero 5y ago
      Ansible is a powertool for implementing idempotent configuration management. That pattern / paradigm is here to stay.
      - theonemind 5y ago
        I'd never call anything imperative (as opposed to declarative) a power-tool for implementing idempotent anything.
        rout39574 5y ago
        Amen. Useful tool _in which one might_ implement idempotent patterns, yeah.
        selfhoster11 5y ago
        It pretty much is declarative enough to count, if you describe your operations in enough detail and rely on modules where you can. Not many people bother to go 100%, but you can easily get to 99%.
    - 5y ago
- nunez 5y ago
  ansible is very much alive. kubespray deploys kubernetes clusters with ansible for example. chef and puppet though? THOSE are dead…for new applications. many MANY big companies still use Puppet extensively for legacy config management.
- p2t2p 5y ago
  I use it in my home setup to spin up some service that run in containers automatically. The flow is: change docker file, push, CI runs and validates, another CI runs that uses ansible to run those containers. I probably could connect directly to that docker machine but I don’t want to expose Docker API to the network so I just use ansible.

There's a lot to quibble with, here. But I find this interesting/worthwhile overall because it demonstrates just how broad and deep the landscape of dead ends is.

dnautics 5y ago

Even Ansible is dead by now.

sorum 5y ago
Who (or what) is the contender to replace Ansible?
- dnautics 5y ago
  Containerization in general?
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    Who configures and installs software on the container hosts? How do you deploy applications directly on bare metal or VMs? Those are still sometimes required or preferred for various reasons. IMO, you can speak about the death of bare metal (which is slowly happening), but definitely not tools like Ansible. They've found their niche.
- chucky_z 5y ago
  I think Nix is most poised. If you don’t have a way to do immutable infrastructure, Ansible is still extremely alive.
selfhoster11 5y ago
Extremely, absolutely, definitely no. It's alive and well, and still being used for new deployments.
- dnautics 5y ago
  There was a time when every startup used it. Now I don't know any startup that is. I suppose it's possible that the big infra managers use it with their teams. -- I wouldn't know, but the necessity for Ansible by the bulk of developers has evaporated due to containerization.
  - ushakov 5y ago
    Mail.ru and Yandex used it, i've seen people deploy their Kotlin web apps
  - Spivak 5y ago
    Ansible + Terraform is basically the modern infra stack if you’re not on k8s.
  - unixhero 5y ago
    Ansible is a powertool for implementing idempotent configuration management. That pattern / paradigm is here to stay.
    - theonemind 5y ago
      I'd never call anything imperative (as opposed to declarative) a power-tool for implementing idempotent anything.
      - rout39574 5y ago
        Amen. Useful tool _in which one might_ implement idempotent patterns, yeah.
      - selfhoster11 5y ago
        It pretty much is declarative enough to count, if you describe your operations in enough detail and rely on modules where you can. Not many people bother to go 100%, but you can easily get to 99%.
  - 5y ago
nunez 5y ago
ansible is very much alive. kubespray deploys kubernetes clusters with ansible for example. chef and puppet though? THOSE are dead…for new applications. many MANY big companies still use Puppet extensively for legacy config management.
p2t2p 5y ago
I use it in my home setup to spin up some service that run in containers automatically. The flow is: change docker file, push, CI runs and validates, another CI runs that uses ansible to run those containers. I probably could connect directly to that docker machine but I don’t want to expose Docker API to the network so I just use ansible.