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I've heard multiple references to experts/politicians/media "calling border closures racist" in early 2020, but only from conservative media claiming that liber

by tcbawo 5y ago

I've heard multiple references to experts/politicians/media "calling border closures racist" in early 2020, but only from conservative media claiming that liberals were espousing this viewpoint. Can someone provide sources or evidence for this?

throwawaylinux 5y ago
First hit in the first page of a simple google search. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/xenophobe-chief-democrats-blast-trump-s-plan-suspend-immigration-u-n1188551 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/xenophobe-chief-de... Weird you have no recollection of it. It was pretty loud in the media for a while there.
- tcbawo 5y ago
  This article comes from April 21, 2020, not Feb 2020 as GP mentioned. Apparently it was a Democrat response to a tweet announcing a border closure after the US had already seen 42000 deaths (fta). This looks like Democrats criticizing a policy of shutting the barn door after the animals had already left the barn.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    No it doesn't it looks like recklessly spreading disinformation during a crisis purely for personal political gain. The US has had strict border restrictions on foreign citizens through most of 2021 too. So unless you are going to call the Biden administration racist and xenophobic as well, then this reasoning doesn't work. But even if you did, then what you're saying about barn doors still contradicts what most experts have said in terms of reducing the movement of people to slow the spread.
ardit33 5y ago
Didn't Nancy Pelosi go to hug people in China town in late Feb 2020? Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco's Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-sa... "Fear of the Virus is Racially Motivated." Around the time the Trump administration announced the travel restriction, Biden said that Trump had a “record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.” In late January, the Trump administration implemented a travel restriction from China, where the coronavirus originated. Some on the left described the move as a racist or xenophobic ploy aimed at punishing a country that Trump has clashed with over trade. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498350-biden-trumps-coronavirus-response-has-been-nakedly-xenophobic https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498350-biden-trumps-co...
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  I mean, it was true that shutting down the border to China was mostly a policy based on xenophobia than any actual facts, because at that point the vast majority of people spreading Covid into the US werent the Chinese. The huge NYC early spike started from an traveler from Europe.
  - johncena33 5y ago
    Yes, despite of all the cover-ups and lyings China is never responsible. And everyone else is responsible for pandemic.
  - tomp 5y ago
    This is unlikely to be true and probably an attempt to rewrite the history based on current knowledge and hate of Trump. The reality is, that back then, there was simply no better information than "coming from China". It wasn't based on xenophobia at all, just on common sense (that seemed to defy the Democrats / mainstream media). In beginning of March, Trump also closed borders to Europe. Xenophobic? No, Europe was having a spike (e.g. Bergamo, Italy). EU "president", Ursula von der Leyen, criticised the decision. 2 weeks later, EU closed its borders. (Ursula is another person that prefers politics to common sense.)
    - _djo_ 5y ago
      It actually is true, the US’s SARS-CoV-2 lineages were predominantly from Europe. Especially Italy.
      - makomk 5y ago
        There's some evidence in retrospect that a lot of the spread to the US was from Italy. There wre two huge problems with using that as proof Pelosi and co were right to call the travel bans xenophobic. Firstly, it suggests the US policies basically succeeded at stopping the virus spreading there from China whilst Italy failed (and likely doomed the rest of the world in the process). Secondly, in order to block travel from Italy early enough, the US would've had to do it when Italy was consistently reporting zero cases week after week. Given that pretty much the entire US mainstream media and political insisted that it was xenophobic and unjustified to stop travel from Europe even after there was evidence of a major outbreak, I can't imagine there'd be much support for doing so when Italy reported zero cases and the US had cases from China - even though the reason for that was that Italy was doing worse at detecting outbreaks and those local cases turned out to be much less of a problem than ones from zero-case Italy. Something seems to have gone really badly wrong in Italy and it's somehow gone entirely unexamined by the media, despite the fact that it did more to doom the rest of the world's efforts than any of the countries that have been blamed for doing so. Entirely unrelately, Italy is lead by the kind of boring technocrat that the media likes rather than some Trumpian populist figure.
evan_ 5y ago
It’s an intentional misrepresentation of Pelosi and others decrying violence against Asian people.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
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  - Uyuxo 5y ago
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acwan93 5y ago
The reason was that the GOP was allegedly looking for an excuse to close the borders and further their anti-immigration agenda, and used the pandemic as an excuse. "The president’s chief adviser on immigration, Stephen Miller, had long tried to halt migration based on public health, without success. Then came the coronavirus."[1] "The idea that immigrants carry infections into the country echoes a racist notion with a long history in the United States that associates minorities with disease."[1] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/us/coronavirus-immigration-stephen-miller-public-health.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/us/coronavirus-immigratio...
post_from_work 5y ago
From The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/trump-response-coronavirus/606610/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/trump-r...), attributing comments to the WHO: *But critics from WHO and elsewhere have said the bans are unnecessary and could generate a racist backlash against Chinese people.* *Before long, Trump was running for president on an anti-immigrant platform. One message he pushed was that immigrants carry contagion. In 2015, he put out a statement warning that “tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border,” a claim unsupported by fact.* [ha! That hasn't aged well: https://news.yahoo.com/dhs-dropped-40-000-covid-190800213.html ] From Huffington Post: https://www.huffpost.com/archive/in/entry/china-donald-trump-chinese-virus-coronavirus-racism_in_5e7068e7c5b6eab7793b7e36 https://www.huffpost.com/archive/in/entry/china-donald-trump...: *Just a month after praising China for its handing of the COVID-19 outbreak, U.S. President Donald Trump has sent out a racist tweet terming the coronavirus as “Chinese Virus”.* From Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-using-racism-against-china-to-distract-from-coronavirus-failures-2020-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-using-racism-against-c... *President Donald Trump and his Republican allies are using racism to try to distract from his disastrous preparations for and response to the coronavirus pandemic. Instead of taking responsibility for and addressing early failures, they're blaming the crisis on China.*

by tcbawo 5y ago

throwawaylinux 5y ago

First hit in the first page of a simple google search. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/xenophobe-chief-democrats-blast-trump-s-plan-suspend-immigration-u-n1188551 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/xenophobe-chief-de... Weird you have no recollection of it. It was pretty loud in the media for a while there.

tcbawo 5y ago
This article comes from April 21, 2020, not Feb 2020 as GP mentioned. Apparently it was a Democrat response to a tweet announcing a border closure after the US had already seen 42000 deaths (fta). This looks like Democrats criticizing a policy of shutting the barn door after the animals had already left the barn.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  No it doesn't it looks like recklessly spreading disinformation during a crisis purely for personal political gain. The US has had strict border restrictions on foreign citizens through most of 2021 too. So unless you are going to call the Biden administration racist and xenophobic as well, then this reasoning doesn't work. But even if you did, then what you're saying about barn doors still contradicts what most experts have said in terms of reducing the movement of people to slow the spread.

ardit33 5y ago

Didn't Nancy Pelosi go to hug people in China town in late Feb 2020? Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco's Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-sa... "Fear of the Virus is Racially Motivated." Around the time the Trump administration announced the travel restriction, Biden said that Trump had a “record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.” In late January, the Trump administration implemented a travel restriction from China, where the coronavirus originated. Some on the left described the move as a racist or xenophobic ploy aimed at punishing a country that Trump has clashed with over trade. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498350-biden-trumps-coronavirus-response-has-been-nakedly-xenophobic https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498350-biden-trumps-co...

SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
I mean, it was true that shutting down the border to China was mostly a policy based on xenophobia than any actual facts, because at that point the vast majority of people spreading Covid into the US werent the Chinese. The huge NYC early spike started from an traveler from Europe.
- johncena33 5y ago
  Yes, despite of all the cover-ups and lyings China is never responsible. And everyone else is responsible for pandemic.
- tomp 5y ago
  This is unlikely to be true and probably an attempt to rewrite the history based on current knowledge and hate of Trump. The reality is, that back then, there was simply no better information than "coming from China". It wasn't based on xenophobia at all, just on common sense (that seemed to defy the Democrats / mainstream media). In beginning of March, Trump also closed borders to Europe. Xenophobic? No, Europe was having a spike (e.g. Bergamo, Italy). EU "president", Ursula von der Leyen, criticised the decision. 2 weeks later, EU closed its borders. (Ursula is another person that prefers politics to common sense.)
  - _djo_ 5y ago
    It actually is true, the US’s SARS-CoV-2 lineages were predominantly from Europe. Especially Italy.
    - makomk 5y ago
      There's some evidence in retrospect that a lot of the spread to the US was from Italy. There wre two huge problems with using that as proof Pelosi and co were right to call the travel bans xenophobic. Firstly, it suggests the US policies basically succeeded at stopping the virus spreading there from China whilst Italy failed (and likely doomed the rest of the world in the process). Secondly, in order to block travel from Italy early enough, the US would've had to do it when Italy was consistently reporting zero cases week after week. Given that pretty much the entire US mainstream media and political insisted that it was xenophobic and unjustified to stop travel from Europe even after there was evidence of a major outbreak, I can't imagine there'd be much support for doing so when Italy reported zero cases and the US had cases from China - even though the reason for that was that Italy was doing worse at detecting outbreaks and those local cases turned out to be much less of a problem than ones from zero-case Italy. Something seems to have gone really badly wrong in Italy and it's somehow gone entirely unexamined by the media, despite the fact that it did more to doom the rest of the world's efforts than any of the countries that have been blamed for doing so. Entirely unrelately, Italy is lead by the kind of boring technocrat that the media likes rather than some Trumpian populist figure.

evan_ 5y ago

It’s an intentional misrepresentation of Pelosi and others decrying violence against Asian people.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
Your comment violates the HN guidelines which are available here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. (and several others)
- Uyuxo 5y ago
  Your comment violates the HN guidelines which are available here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. (and several others)

acwan93 5y ago

The reason was that the GOP was allegedly looking for an excuse to close the borders and further their anti-immigration agenda, and used the pandemic as an excuse. "The president’s chief adviser on immigration, Stephen Miller, had long tried to halt migration based on public health, without success. Then came the coronavirus."[1] "The idea that immigrants carry infections into the country echoes a racist notion with a long history in the United States that associates minorities with disease."[1] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/us/coronavirus-immigration-stephen-miller-public-health.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/us/coronavirus-immigratio...

post_from_work 5y ago

From The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/trump-response-coronavirus/606610/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/trump-r...), attributing comments to the WHO: *But critics from WHO and elsewhere have said the bans are unnecessary and could generate a racist backlash against Chinese people.* *Before long, Trump was running for president on an anti-immigrant platform. One message he pushed was that immigrants carry contagion. In 2015, he put out a statement warning that “tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border,” a claim unsupported by fact.* [ha! That hasn't aged well: https://news.yahoo.com/dhs-dropped-40-000-covid-190800213.html ] From Huffington Post: https://www.huffpost.com/archive/in/entry/china-donald-trump-chinese-virus-coronavirus-racism_in_5e7068e7c5b6eab7793b7e36 https://www.huffpost.com/archive/in/entry/china-donald-trump...: *Just a month after praising China for its handing of the COVID-19 outbreak, U.S. President Donald Trump has sent out a racist tweet terming the coronavirus as “Chinese Virus”.* From Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-using-racism-against-china-to-distract-from-coronavirus-failures-2020-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-using-racism-against-c... *President Donald Trump and his Republican allies are using racism to try to distract from his disastrous preparations for and response to the coronavirus pandemic. Instead of taking responsibility for and addressing early failures, they're blaming the crisis on China.*