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> Posix shell is clunky has its limitations but there's nothing really flawed about it. I think shellcheck is the best argument against this. POSIX shell is ju

> Posix shell is clunky has its limitations but there's nothing really flawed about it. I think shellcheck is the best argument against this. POSIX shell is just stuffed to the brim with weird gotchas, places where the obvious way to write something causes subtle bugs down the line. It's the only programming language I use that feels adversarial, where you have to be paranoid to properly solve simple tasks. (Admittedly some of that is because of the reliance on system programs rather than the shell language itself.)

enriquto 5y ago
> It's the only programming language I use that feels adversarial This may be just that you are not very used to the language. I have the same dreadful feeling (that the language fights against me), even when using languages that I'm reasonably proficient with. For example, in C++, a simple expression like "y = f(x);" already gives me the chills... Is the () operator overloaded? and the assignement operator? If the object x has size equal to 10GB, and y is supposed to have the same size, how much memory does this operation require? 10GB? 20GB? 30GB? 40GB? each of these completely different answers is perfectly reasonable, depending on extremely delicate details of the implementation. Garbage-collected languages are even worse, I never know whether they will start a memory reclaiming spree that will halt my program for a few seconds. Even in python, I have this sort of jump scares a few times per month.