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We could have a new mRNA vax against this (and delta) in days. Why are we still using an old vax that targets a strain that barely exists anymore?

Nasrudith 5y ago
Even if there was trust sufficient to accept any arbitrary mRNA as the proper target without testing logistics doesn't turn on a dime. Meanwhile here in the real world we have many idiots who think mRNA modifies their DNA.
- fallingknife 5y ago
  Well it kind of does the same thing that modifying DNA would do, but without actually modifying it, so I can't really hate on people for that. But I don't care that much if other people get it. I want it for myself.
CyanLite4 5y ago
Because Delta doesn’t evade the current vax immunity, it just replicates significantly faster.
bananapear 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin
pfdietz 5y ago
We could make the new vaccine in days, but then it would take many months to pass through all the regulatory barriers. If the GOP had been smart they'd have been hammering Biden for that instead of doing whatever the hell they are doing. This was a prime opportunity to go "see? Government regulation is bad."
- mek6800d2 5y ago
  I too miss the good old days before the FDA was established. If a person taking a lethal snakeoil medicine dies, he has only himself to blame (posthumously).
  - 7sidedmarble 5y ago
    And who exactly would be making sure companies didn't sell dangerous snake oils as harmless? How can someone know what's in it if no one is testing medicines or enforcing some set of standards?
    - pfdietz 5y ago
      Who would make sure the regulators don't prevent a necessary and life saving vaccine or drug from reaching the marketplace in a timely manner? Errors exist on both sides. In a time critical scenario like a pandemic, the cost of retarding availability of a vaccine could be enormous. I don't see the problem with making vaccines (or drugs) that have not received FDA approval available, as long as they are clearly marked as such and informed consent is received.
TheBlight 5y ago
https://www.cell.com/trends/immunology/fulltext/S1471-4906(21)00177-0 https://www.cell.com/trends/immunology/fulltext/S1471-4906(2...

Nasrudith 5y ago

Even if there was trust sufficient to accept any arbitrary mRNA as the proper target without testing logistics doesn't turn on a dime. Meanwhile here in the real world we have many idiots who think mRNA modifies their DNA.

fallingknife 5y ago
Well it kind of does the same thing that modifying DNA would do, but without actually modifying it, so I can't really hate on people for that. But I don't care that much if other people get it. I want it for myself.

CyanLite4 5y ago

Because Delta doesn’t evade the current vax immunity, it just replicates significantly faster.

bananapear 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin

pfdietz 5y ago

We could make the new vaccine in days, but then it would take many months to pass through all the regulatory barriers. If the GOP had been smart they'd have been hammering Biden for that instead of doing whatever the hell they are doing. This was a prime opportunity to go "see? Government regulation is bad."

mek6800d2 5y ago
I too miss the good old days before the FDA was established. If a person taking a lethal snakeoil medicine dies, he has only himself to blame (posthumously).
- 7sidedmarble 5y ago
  And who exactly would be making sure companies didn't sell dangerous snake oils as harmless? How can someone know what's in it if no one is testing medicines or enforcing some set of standards?
  - pfdietz 5y ago
    Who would make sure the regulators don't prevent a necessary and life saving vaccine or drug from reaching the marketplace in a timely manner? Errors exist on both sides. In a time critical scenario like a pandemic, the cost of retarding availability of a vaccine could be enormous. I don't see the problem with making vaccines (or drugs) that have not received FDA approval available, as long as they are clearly marked as such and informed consent is received.

TheBlight 5y ago

https://www.cell.com/trends/immunology/fulltext/S1471-4906(21)00177-0 https://www.cell.com/trends/immunology/fulltext/S1471-4906(2...