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They are good and reliable, but they are not cutting age. The Toyota to M1's Ferrari. There is no point for Intel to acquire them when right now what Intel need

by melony 5y ago

They are good and reliable, but they are not cutting age. The Toyota to M1's Ferrari. There is no point for Intel to acquire them when right now what Intel needs above all is tech and manufacturing advancements.

mschuster91 5y ago
> what Intel needs above all is tech and manufacturing advancements. Intel needs a reliable door into the phone industry. Currently they don't have anything to offer and people will think twice before choosing Intel chipsets if it's not sure Intel will even stay in the market. Acquiring MediaTek would bypass that.
- seniorivn 5y ago
  they are most certainly capable to license arm standart cores and make an soc themselves, they made a decision that they will not do that. why would they buy someone who does not so well?
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    > why would they buy someone who does not so well? IIRC, MediaTek is the largest SoC vendor by volume. Hardly the definition of "doing not so well". Yes, the MediaTek quality is ... not exactly the greatest, I agree. But that is where Intel could shine... Intel would save the money to invest in starting in a green field, and provide MediaTek with a (desperately needed) injection of quality.
- tuatoru 5y ago
  Could Intel acquire, and then leave them alone (not mess with success)?
  - Calamitous 5y ago
    Theoretically. But my experience with acquisitions is that "leave them alone" never ever happens.
- baybal2 5y ago
  > Intel needs a reliable door into the phone industry. Intel had 100 reliable doors in the past, and they foregone all of them. Even today, Intel would have no problem making something well sellable.
ginko 5y ago
I’d much prefer Toyota’s sales to Ferrari’s.
- Tagbert 5y ago
  The analogy does not stretch that far
- jacquesm 5y ago
  And Toyota's reliability, pricing, parts availability, practicality and comfort.
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    (Yes, ) But without the current privacy policies, thanks. (Context: I was informed two years ago, by resellers, that Toyota was sending data from the cars to their own servers - just this very capability embedded in the car already some find completely unacceptable - and that they intended to demand the signature of agreements loose about privacy.)
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Agreed. That's why I bought an old car and restored it to new state rather than to go with the more current crop. A couple of near misses on account of software bugs that tried to kill me were enough to convince me to opt out, and that's before I got into tracking the vehicle and sending other data.
      - mdp2021 5y ago
        > near misses on account of software bugs that tried to kill me Absolutely. Engineering issues (samples of episodes reported): * steering wheel not responding (and user driving on motorway); * car unlock mechanism not responding (and user in the desert); * necessary electronics placed in external rear view mirror... Security issues: * steering wheel remotely hijackable through BT security hole... Now add the privacy issues. This is largely OT in the current submission, but we should have a good exploration and discussion about these matters in other pages. The big issue is: alternatives. Surely many of us have been finding themselves with a problem of options.
evolvevia 5y ago
MediaTek's latest D9000 is pretty cutting edge. https://www.phonearena.com/news/world-first-tsmc-4nm-chipset-is-mediatek-dimensity-9000-5G_id136542 https://www.phonearena.com/news/world-first-tsmc-4nm-chipset... Should also be more affordable than the Qualcomm equivalent.
- jhgb 5y ago
  So this would probably be the first MediaTek chip that isn't crap, then? Whenever I looked at the options in the past, MediaTek was always the "it's cheap alright but don't expect it to be good" option.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    It will still be crap because Mediatek. At least if you are interested in installing solid aftermarket firmware/ROMs and not some haphazardly mixed together 'mods' based on obsolete and vulnerable versions. It's an uphill battle, even steeper than with the other players on the market. I'd avoid it. Until they change their policy regarding openness, open source, and so on. But why would they? Has worked for them so far.

by melony 5y ago

mschuster91 5y ago

> what Intel needs above all is tech and manufacturing advancements. Intel needs a reliable door into the phone industry. Currently they don't have anything to offer and people will think twice before choosing Intel chipsets if it's not sure Intel will even stay in the market. Acquiring MediaTek would bypass that.

seniorivn 5y ago
they are most certainly capable to license arm standart cores and make an soc themselves, they made a decision that they will not do that. why would they buy someone who does not so well?
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > why would they buy someone who does not so well? IIRC, MediaTek is the largest SoC vendor by volume. Hardly the definition of "doing not so well". Yes, the MediaTek quality is ... not exactly the greatest, I agree. But that is where Intel could shine... Intel would save the money to invest in starting in a green field, and provide MediaTek with a (desperately needed) injection of quality.
tuatoru 5y ago
Could Intel acquire, and then leave them alone (not mess with success)?
- Calamitous 5y ago
  Theoretically. But my experience with acquisitions is that "leave them alone" never ever happens.
baybal2 5y ago
> Intel needs a reliable door into the phone industry. Intel had 100 reliable doors in the past, and they foregone all of them. Even today, Intel would have no problem making something well sellable.

ginko 5y ago

I’d much prefer Toyota’s sales to Ferrari’s.

Tagbert 5y ago
The analogy does not stretch that far
jacquesm 5y ago
And Toyota's reliability, pricing, parts availability, practicality and comfort.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  (Yes, ) But without the current privacy policies, thanks. (Context: I was informed two years ago, by resellers, that Toyota was sending data from the cars to their own servers - just this very capability embedded in the car already some find completely unacceptable - and that they intended to demand the signature of agreements loose about privacy.)
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Agreed. That's why I bought an old car and restored it to new state rather than to go with the more current crop. A couple of near misses on account of software bugs that tried to kill me were enough to convince me to opt out, and that's before I got into tracking the vehicle and sending other data.
    - mdp2021 5y ago
      > near misses on account of software bugs that tried to kill me Absolutely. Engineering issues (samples of episodes reported): * steering wheel not responding (and user driving on motorway); * car unlock mechanism not responding (and user in the desert); * necessary electronics placed in external rear view mirror... Security issues: * steering wheel remotely hijackable through BT security hole... Now add the privacy issues. This is largely OT in the current submission, but we should have a good exploration and discussion about these matters in other pages. The big issue is: alternatives. Surely many of us have been finding themselves with a problem of options.

evolvevia 5y ago

MediaTek's latest D9000 is pretty cutting edge. https://www.phonearena.com/news/world-first-tsmc-4nm-chipset-is-mediatek-dimensity-9000-5G_id136542 https://www.phonearena.com/news/world-first-tsmc-4nm-chipset... Should also be more affordable than the Qualcomm equivalent.

jhgb 5y ago
So this would probably be the first MediaTek chip that isn't crap, then? Whenever I looked at the options in the past, MediaTek was always the "it's cheap alright but don't expect it to be good" option.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  It will still be crap because Mediatek. At least if you are interested in installing solid aftermarket firmware/ROMs and not some haphazardly mixed together 'mods' based on obsolete and vulnerable versions. It's an uphill battle, even steeper than with the other players on the market. I'd avoid it. Until they change their policy regarding openness, open source, and so on. But why would they? Has worked for them so far.