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I wonder if the readers/commenters realize there is a massive blackout about this in China. All this propaganda is directed at us. check Laowhy86's video about

by spinny 5y ago

I wonder if the readers/commenters realize there is a massive blackout about this in China. All this propaganda is directed at us. check Laowhy86's video about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc4tNY7S6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc4tNY7S6Q

zjyeung 5y ago
I wouldn't trust Laowhy86's videos on topics about China. His channel is very clear on anti-china progaganda.
- spinny 5y ago
  He is actually very clear on that. He is anti-CCP. China != CCP
  - pphysch 5y ago
    The CCP has some 100,000,000 active members and >90% domestic approval rate. You simply cannot decouple it from "China" in any meaningful social, political, or economic manner without resorting to boring Orientalist/"white savior" narratives.
    - toxik 5y ago
      And I hear over in NK, 100% of people approve of the Kim dynasty. Weird how great stats they get, gotta get in on their secret.
      - pphysch 5y ago
        The CCP's "secret" is consistently materially improving the conditions of 1.4 billion people over decades. You have to answer the question: why wouldn't the Chinese support their government?
        post_from_work 5y ago
        >>>why wouldn't the Chinese support their government? Trepidation at encouraging/rewarding a state apparatus that is comfortable driving armored vehicles over its own protesting student citizens? It's easy to support a government during periods of success and abundance. How does the government treat its population during periods of hardship and uncertainty? The CCP has already demonstrated its preferred solution: grind the population into hamburger under its power, in order to preserve the position and quality of life of those at the top. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gabrielsanchez/disturbing-pictures-from-the-tiananmen-square-massacre https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gabrielsanchez/disturbi... https://allthatsinteresting.com/tiananmen-square-jiang-lin https://allthatsinteresting.com/tiananmen-square-jiang-lin
        pphysch 5y ago
        If Tiananmen Square riots are enough reason for Chinese to overthrow their govt, then the Americans should have overthrown their govt 100 times due to LA riots, People's Park massacre, MOVE bombing, etc etc
        toxik 5y ago
        What? I never said the Chinese people should rebel. Your anti anti China rhetoric is frankly absurd. I said you cannot voice dissent towards CCP, so saying “x% approve” is utterly meaningless. Similarly, being a CCP member is not like being a member of a democratic party in some other country. I’m sure you understand that though, you’re just out here pushing against anti CCP sentiment in a thread about a woman who put her career on the line to say that she has been sexually abused by powerful people. It’s not a good look.
        pphysch 5y ago
        Good thing I'm not here for the HN karma or optics. If at least one person has read my comments and started asking questions and doing their own research into the current anti-China propaganda blitz, that's a win for me. Seriously. Step back and look at what is going on here. One Chinese women opened up on social media and an emotional and traumatic experience she had long ago. Instantly, the entire Western propaganda apparatus amplifies it into a massive scandal. Every rumor is tested: it's a CCP coverup, Peng has been disappeared, the evidence of her being safe is all deep faked... Meanwhile, every single day people are going through much, much worse. Including in America. But it's one Chinese lady that gets all the attention. Because we're in the midst of a political propaganda campaign against Beijing 2022.
    - Calamitous 5y ago
      > >90% domestic approval rate I always wonder about these kinds of numbers. Who's asking, and how are they asking? And is there an element of coercion involved?
  - hogFeast 5y ago
    A distinction that the CCP is clear to confuse. I believe his wife is Chinese, he lived in the country for a long time and his videos clearly show that he has no real problem with the Chinese people (if you had a problem with Chinese people...why would you move to China? It makes no sense, there must be some psychological bias where people see bigotry everywhere), he just doesn't like the CCP (tbh, his account of why he left China justifies that view, he may not be telling the truth, I don't really care tbh but that is his story). For some reason, people will view not liking the CCP as a slight against all Chinese people but those same people will usually dislike America with same venom they see in others...funny that. But yeah, his videos are partisan, there is nothing wrong with being partisan and having an opinion. People are free to have opinions whether other people agree or disagree, whether they are justified by reason or changes in the stars. You can also watch a video that is partisan, agree with some of it, disagree with some of it without attempting to generalise that person's views as totally correct or incorrect...most people are not totally correct or incorrect all the time (ofc, this notion of truth is something that authoritarian govts fundamentally disagree with, having a monopoly on objective truth is a source of political and cultural control).
- throwaway_sb666 5y ago
  His channel is clearly anti-CCP. He's married to a Chinese woman, and I believe genuinely loves China.
- TeeMassive 5y ago
  He was very pro-China until he had to literally escape with his family in-extremis while being hunted down.
GordonS 5y ago
I don't want to detract from the main story, because we need to call this out regardless of the source nation, but it really does grind my gears the way that Western politicians use this kind of thing to strengthen the anti-Chinese FUD, when there are similar issues at home they could actually do something about, but don't (or worse, even support it - usually "because terrorists, paedos, foreigners etc").
- bamboozled 5y ago
  Julian Assange…
- GordonS 5y ago
  Ach, I added this comment to the wrong parent - it was meant as a response to @boomskats's comment mentioning Julian Assange.

by spinny 5y ago

zjyeung 5y ago

I wouldn't trust Laowhy86's videos on topics about China. His channel is very clear on anti-china progaganda.

spinny 5y ago
He is actually very clear on that. He is anti-CCP. China != CCP
- pphysch 5y ago
  The CCP has some 100,000,000 active members and >90% domestic approval rate. You simply cannot decouple it from "China" in any meaningful social, political, or economic manner without resorting to boring Orientalist/"white savior" narratives.
  - toxik 5y ago
    And I hear over in NK, 100% of people approve of the Kim dynasty. Weird how great stats they get, gotta get in on their secret.
    - pphysch 5y ago
      The CCP's "secret" is consistently materially improving the conditions of 1.4 billion people over decades. You have to answer the question: why wouldn't the Chinese support their government?
      - post_from_work 5y ago
        >>>why wouldn't the Chinese support their government? Trepidation at encouraging/rewarding a state apparatus that is comfortable driving armored vehicles over its own protesting student citizens? It's easy to support a government during periods of success and abundance. How does the government treat its population during periods of hardship and uncertainty? The CCP has already demonstrated its preferred solution: grind the population into hamburger under its power, in order to preserve the position and quality of life of those at the top. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gabrielsanchez/disturbing-pictures-from-the-tiananmen-square-massacre https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gabrielsanchez/disturbi... https://allthatsinteresting.com/tiananmen-square-jiang-lin https://allthatsinteresting.com/tiananmen-square-jiang-lin
        pphysch 5y ago
        If Tiananmen Square riots are enough reason for Chinese to overthrow their govt, then the Americans should have overthrown their govt 100 times due to LA riots, People's Park massacre, MOVE bombing, etc etc
      - toxik 5y ago
        What? I never said the Chinese people should rebel. Your anti anti China rhetoric is frankly absurd. I said you cannot voice dissent towards CCP, so saying “x% approve” is utterly meaningless. Similarly, being a CCP member is not like being a member of a democratic party in some other country. I’m sure you understand that though, you’re just out here pushing against anti CCP sentiment in a thread about a woman who put her career on the line to say that she has been sexually abused by powerful people. It’s not a good look.
        pphysch 5y ago
        Good thing I'm not here for the HN karma or optics. If at least one person has read my comments and started asking questions and doing their own research into the current anti-China propaganda blitz, that's a win for me. Seriously. Step back and look at what is going on here. One Chinese women opened up on social media and an emotional and traumatic experience she had long ago. Instantly, the entire Western propaganda apparatus amplifies it into a massive scandal. Every rumor is tested: it's a CCP coverup, Peng has been disappeared, the evidence of her being safe is all deep faked... Meanwhile, every single day people are going through much, much worse. Including in America. But it's one Chinese lady that gets all the attention. Because we're in the midst of a political propaganda campaign against Beijing 2022.
  - Calamitous 5y ago
    > >90% domestic approval rate I always wonder about these kinds of numbers. Who's asking, and how are they asking? And is there an element of coercion involved?
- hogFeast 5y ago
  A distinction that the CCP is clear to confuse. I believe his wife is Chinese, he lived in the country for a long time and his videos clearly show that he has no real problem with the Chinese people (if you had a problem with Chinese people...why would you move to China? It makes no sense, there must be some psychological bias where people see bigotry everywhere), he just doesn't like the CCP (tbh, his account of why he left China justifies that view, he may not be telling the truth, I don't really care tbh but that is his story). For some reason, people will view not liking the CCP as a slight against all Chinese people but those same people will usually dislike America with same venom they see in others...funny that. But yeah, his videos are partisan, there is nothing wrong with being partisan and having an opinion. People are free to have opinions whether other people agree or disagree, whether they are justified by reason or changes in the stars. You can also watch a video that is partisan, agree with some of it, disagree with some of it without attempting to generalise that person's views as totally correct or incorrect...most people are not totally correct or incorrect all the time (ofc, this notion of truth is something that authoritarian govts fundamentally disagree with, having a monopoly on objective truth is a source of political and cultural control).
throwaway_sb666 5y ago
His channel is clearly anti-CCP. He's married to a Chinese woman, and I believe genuinely loves China.
TeeMassive 5y ago
He was very pro-China until he had to literally escape with his family in-extremis while being hunted down.

GordonS 5y ago

I don't want to detract from the main story, because we need to call this out regardless of the source nation, but it really does grind my gears the way that Western politicians use this kind of thing to strengthen the anti-Chinese FUD, when there are similar issues at home they could actually do something about, but don't (or worse, even support it - usually "because terrorists, paedos, foreigners etc").

bamboozled 5y ago
Julian Assange…
GordonS 5y ago
Ach, I added this comment to the wrong parent - it was meant as a response to @boomskats's comment mentioning Julian Assange.