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Didn't know context of joke here, so looked it up: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/jamie-dimon-quickly-backtracks-on-mild-china-joke.html https://nymag.

by __s 5y ago

Didn't know context of joke here, so looked it up: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/jamie-dimon-quickly-backtracks-on-mild-china-joke.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/jamie-dimon-quickly-... The quotation seems to be garbled in that link, https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/jamie-dimon-jokes-jpmorgan-will-last-longer-than-chinas-ruling-party-but-cautions-over-taiwan-intervention-20211124 https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/jamie-dimon-jokes-jpmorgan... has one that makes more sense > The Communist Party is celebrating its 100th year. So is JPMorgan. And I’ll make you a bet we last longer. Tho second link isn't a citation for: > I can’t say that in China. They are probably listening anyway.

walrus01 5y ago
If you really want to ensure you're on the CCP's shit list, casually call it Occupied West Taiwan and show a Kuomintang flag.
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DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
"Didn't know context of joke here" Why are people referring to it as a joke? He may have said it in a jocular tone-of-voice, but I don't think it was a joke at all: it's a reasoned statement to make and furthermore it's a statement I agree with: given US blue-chip companies' propensity to entrench themselves and the CCP's reversion back to authoritarianism (which history has made abundantly clear: rarely ends-well for authoritarians) means that absent anything unexpected happening, the CCP may very-well no-longer exist within a generation or two from now - or at least the CCP won't exist as-we-know-it.
- marcus_holmes 5y ago
  There is a view of history where the thousands of years of Chinese rule-by-bureaucracy is uninterrupted. My grandfather grew up there and was fond of saying "you have to remember the Chinese did not pray to God. The average Chinese person is not important enough for that. They prayed to the third under-secretary to God's chamberlain. What they really worship is bureaucracy". I don't know China well enough to comment on this myself, but I always found it a fascinating take on the situation.
  - dnautics 5y ago
    What is this thousands of years of uninterrupted rule thing? If nothing else there was a period where china's rule was very much interrupted by the mongols, not to mention warring states era, etc.
    - coredog64 5y ago
      The Imperial China period from 200-something BC to 1912 had pretty solid control over a fair chunk of what we think of as modern China.
      - DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
        One could make a similar argument and generalize about Europeans and claim European unity exists because for most of the past 2,000 years practically all states in Europe were under the influence of the Catholic church in some way or another. China's history is as complicated as any other similarly sized territory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:Divisions_of_Chinese_history.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:D...
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        marcus_holmes 5y ago
        yes, you're right. There is a view of European history that sees the Roman Empire mutate into the Holy Roman Empire and maintain control over much of Europe for thousands of years (I guess from the end of the Republic in 27BC to the last Holy Roman Emperor in 1806, so not quite "thousands").
        tm-guimaraes 5y ago
        It depends what you mean with "roman empire mutate". HRE had no connection to the Roman Empire besides approval by the papacy. Meanwhile, other "nations" entitled their ruler as a successor, bestowing upon them the title of Caesar, Kaiser, Tsar. So, you can link it up until the fall of Imperial Russia. Or you can even keep it up to today with Romania, or even Turkey. When Constantinople fell, there were no lack of claims.
- __s 5y ago
  1. As I stated, I didn't know anything about this, so I'm using language chosen by those before me on topic 2. You're explaining why this "joke" might be taken serious by CCP 3. Most jokes have a hint of truth to them
  - DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
    > You're explaining why this "joke" might be taken serious by CCP Actually, I'm not.
- mr_toad 5y ago
  > I don't think it was a joke at all: it's a reasoned statement It’s funny ‘cause it’s true.

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walrus01 5y ago

If you really want to ensure you're on the CCP's shit list, casually call it Occupied West Taiwan and show a Kuomintang flag.

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DaiPlusPlus 5y ago

"Didn't know context of joke here" Why are people referring to it as a joke? He may have said it in a jocular tone-of-voice, but I don't think it was a joke at all: it's a reasoned statement to make and furthermore it's a statement I agree with: given US blue-chip companies' propensity to entrench themselves and the CCP's reversion back to authoritarianism (which history has made abundantly clear: rarely ends-well for authoritarians) means that absent anything unexpected happening, the CCP may very-well no-longer exist within a generation or two from now - or at least the CCP won't exist as-we-know-it.

marcus_holmes 5y ago
There is a view of history where the thousands of years of Chinese rule-by-bureaucracy is uninterrupted. My grandfather grew up there and was fond of saying "you have to remember the Chinese did not pray to God. The average Chinese person is not important enough for that. They prayed to the third under-secretary to God's chamberlain. What they really worship is bureaucracy". I don't know China well enough to comment on this myself, but I always found it a fascinating take on the situation.
- dnautics 5y ago
  What is this thousands of years of uninterrupted rule thing? If nothing else there was a period where china's rule was very much interrupted by the mongols, not to mention warring states era, etc.
  - coredog64 5y ago
    The Imperial China period from 200-something BC to 1912 had pretty solid control over a fair chunk of what we think of as modern China.
    - DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
      One could make a similar argument and generalize about Europeans and claim European unity exists because for most of the past 2,000 years practically all states in Europe were under the influence of the Catholic church in some way or another. China's history is as complicated as any other similarly sized territory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:Divisions_of_Chinese_history.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:D...
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      - marcus_holmes 5y ago
        yes, you're right. There is a view of European history that sees the Roman Empire mutate into the Holy Roman Empire and maintain control over much of Europe for thousands of years (I guess from the end of the Republic in 27BC to the last Holy Roman Emperor in 1806, so not quite "thousands").
        tm-guimaraes 5y ago
        It depends what you mean with "roman empire mutate". HRE had no connection to the Roman Empire besides approval by the papacy. Meanwhile, other "nations" entitled their ruler as a successor, bestowing upon them the title of Caesar, Kaiser, Tsar. So, you can link it up until the fall of Imperial Russia. Or you can even keep it up to today with Romania, or even Turkey. When Constantinople fell, there were no lack of claims.
__s 5y ago
1. As I stated, I didn't know anything about this, so I'm using language chosen by those before me on topic 2. You're explaining why this "joke" might be taken serious by CCP 3. Most jokes have a hint of truth to them
- DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
  > You're explaining why this "joke" might be taken serious by CCP Actually, I'm not.
mr_toad 5y ago
> I don't think it was a joke at all: it's a reasoned statement It’s funny ‘cause it’s true.