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The media's reporting on Peng Shuai's case is... let's say, incomplete. For a better picture, one should read her original Weibo post. Here is a translation: ht

The media's reporting on Peng Shuai's case is... let's say, incomplete. For a better picture, one should read her original Weibo post. Here is a translation: https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qmn69a/full_translation_of_peng_shuais_weibo_post/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qmn69a/full_transla... I've checked this translation and I agree with most of it.

guscost 5y ago
Thank you for the source.
boomskats 5y ago
What's your opinion on this alternative translation posted a couple of days ago? https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qzhxao/translation_of_peng_shuais_original_post_on_weibo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qzhxao/translation_... It attempts to highlight a few cultural nuances missing from the original translation. However it hasn't had any native speakers weigh in on it on r/tennis.
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  It's commendable that he tried adding more notes but on the whole I don't find it more useful to English speakers than the version I linked. The version you linked also has some things I disagree with: I disagree with note 4, claiming that that paragraph is her evidence for non-consensual relationship. My reading of that paragraph (about 10 years ago, the previous time she had an affair) is that that was consensual, or at least not unconsensual. My reading is that at the time she met him for the 2nd time, she was still heartbroken at him for having broken up 10 years ago. The translation you linked to also misses an important note on the phrase "逼我和你发生关系". Presumably the "rape allegation" narrative is based on this phrase. The problem however is that 逼 could mean either “to pressure [to have sex]” or “to force [to have sex]”; its meaning is ambiguous. It could be something like "my parents forced me to become doctor" (they didn't literally force, they nagged until you agree). There is no doubt that Zhao is a manipulative jerk and that he engaged in unacceptable questionable acts. But given the ambiguity of this phrase, plus the fact that the rest of the text is not focused on that single even, makes some wonder whether this is even a rape allegation at all. The rest of the text say things like "I reopened my love for you", "we are so compatible", "we could talk endlessly". Some believe that this is more like her venting that he played with her feelings and then dumped her.
  - temp8964 5y ago
    The "'rape allegation' narrative" is your imagination. Most news reports did not use the word "rape". "sexual assault" is commonly used in reporting this case. The Economist does not use rape either. "coercive sexual relationship" appeared in the first sentence. Stop making strawman attack.
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  - zozbot234 5y ago
    She clearly says that she was in tears and panicking when he pressured her for sex the second time. There's very little ambiguity there: this is a serious allegation of lack of true consent, not just emotional venting.
    - FooBarWidget 5y ago
      I respect your interpretation. I am just saying that there are indeed people out there who don't agree. Of course you are free to disagree with them. Being pro-democratic, we respect each others' differences in opinion.
      - mthoms 5y ago
        >I respect your interpretation What's your interpretation of her panicked crying? You just spent 4 paragraphs outlining how you think her allegation is ambiguous. Now you're attempting to outright dodge a perfectly valid counterpoint.
        FooBarWidget 5y ago
        Why do you keep pushing for that? I just want to highlight data and different opinions and let people make up their own minds. No need for me to impose my views. Others can listen to me in they are interested. If they are not interested, that is fine too.
legutierr 5y ago
How is the specific content of her Weibo post relevant at all here? The issue is that the woman was kidnapped by the Chinese government because simple because she spoke out publicly, and it seems to me that the media’s reporting has been very complete in that regard. What specifically has been lacking?
- 9tailedkitsune 5y ago
  Because the media doesn't just report on her safety, it also reports on what she said? And how they interpret what she said has significant impact on how people think what happened?
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  It's fine if you don't think it's relevant. I am posting for those who do think it's relevant.
  - miohtama 5y ago
    Thank you sir. It is always better to read the source. Though in this case, the most of the discussion is about how party protect its members against scandals and law. Poor woman.
  - stefan_ 5y ago
    Hey, if only the native speakers could weigh in on this! Do you want to explain again why that isn't possible?
  - mongol 5y ago
    Thanks for posting it. I found it relevant.
  - legutierr 5y ago
    When I asked "how is the content of her post relevant here?" I meant: how is the content of the post relevant with regards to your assertion that the media's reporting has been incomplete? I also asked you what specifically has been lacking in those media reports. You are not just posting this information to share it. You are making a claim that the media's reporting has been incomplete, which claim you have not substantiated. So, I ask again, what specific relevant information has been lacking from media reports?
9tailedkitsune 5y ago
The media never picks up on this, as expected
altern2 5y ago
The whole story is bs. She took some time of from social media after ending a complicated relationship and posting something she really shouldn't have. Who had the right to declare her missing in the first place? Which meetings didn't she show up for? Which family members couldn't contact her? Now that they've decided that she was missing the anti-china crowd are in the very convenient situation where they can discard everything they don't like. She makes a statement to Chinese news? Fake. Forced. Doesn't sound right. She posts pictures on wechat? Staged, deep-fake, oh and is that a Winnie the Pooh picture in the background? Clearly a cry for help! She appears on video? They have a gun to her head! They are acting weird! She talks to the IOC? Everyone knows China controls the IOC! The only thing they will accept if she denounces Xi Jinping as the literal antichrist.
tomatofarmer 5y ago
Why was it censored within 30 minutes? Surely a benign post would not lead to such extreme government efforts.
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  Because censorship doesn't work the way you think it works. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344676
  - tomatofarmer 5y ago
    It works exactly how I think it works. As long as no one takes notice, I am free to say whatever I want. You should reflect on how much effort you spend defending such a regime all over this website, twitter, and elsewhere.
    - FooBarWidget 5y ago
      Well you're ignoring the fact that the Chinese government is very open to criticisms and actually regularly change policies based on criticism, despite the counter-intuitive act of simultaneously censoring some critics. I have reflected and I disagree with you. Explaining how China works and presenting alternative views is not "defending [an evil] regime", thank you very much.
      - tomatofarmer 5y ago
        I am not ignoring that such a thing might happen. The regime must be able to doublespeak. Allowing a small amount of safe criticism and changing policies allows those in power to deflect and convince people who aren't paying attention. Any criticism that is a legitimate threat is met with blanket censorship - as in the case of Peng Shuai - or deadly violence as in the case of Tiananmen.
        FooBarWidget 5y ago

guscost 5y ago

Thank you for the source.

boomskats 5y ago

What's your opinion on this alternative translation posted a couple of days ago? https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qzhxao/translation_of_peng_shuais_original_post_on_weibo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qzhxao/translation_... It attempts to highlight a few cultural nuances missing from the original translation. However it hasn't had any native speakers weigh in on it on r/tennis.

FooBarWidget 5y ago
It's commendable that he tried adding more notes but on the whole I don't find it more useful to English speakers than the version I linked. The version you linked also has some things I disagree with: I disagree with note 4, claiming that that paragraph is her evidence for non-consensual relationship. My reading of that paragraph (about 10 years ago, the previous time she had an affair) is that that was consensual, or at least not unconsensual. My reading is that at the time she met him for the 2nd time, she was still heartbroken at him for having broken up 10 years ago. The translation you linked to also misses an important note on the phrase "逼我和你发生关系". Presumably the "rape allegation" narrative is based on this phrase. The problem however is that 逼 could mean either “to pressure [to have sex]” or “to force [to have sex]”; its meaning is ambiguous. It could be something like "my parents forced me to become doctor" (they didn't literally force, they nagged until you agree). There is no doubt that Zhao is a manipulative jerk and that he engaged in unacceptable questionable acts. But given the ambiguity of this phrase, plus the fact that the rest of the text is not focused on that single even, makes some wonder whether this is even a rape allegation at all. The rest of the text say things like "I reopened my love for you", "we are so compatible", "we could talk endlessly". Some believe that this is more like her venting that he played with her feelings and then dumped her.
- temp8964 5y ago
  The "'rape allegation' narrative" is your imagination. Most news reports did not use the word "rape". "sexual assault" is commonly used in reporting this case. The Economist does not use rape either. "coercive sexual relationship" appeared in the first sentence. Stop making strawman attack.
  - deleted 5y ago
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- zozbot234 5y ago
  She clearly says that she was in tears and panicking when he pressured her for sex the second time. There's very little ambiguity there: this is a serious allegation of lack of true consent, not just emotional venting.
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    I respect your interpretation. I am just saying that there are indeed people out there who don't agree. Of course you are free to disagree with them. Being pro-democratic, we respect each others' differences in opinion.
    - mthoms 5y ago
      >I respect your interpretation What's your interpretation of her panicked crying? You just spent 4 paragraphs outlining how you think her allegation is ambiguous. Now you're attempting to outright dodge a perfectly valid counterpoint.
      - FooBarWidget 5y ago
        Why do you keep pushing for that? I just want to highlight data and different opinions and let people make up their own minds. No need for me to impose my views. Others can listen to me in they are interested. If they are not interested, that is fine too.

legutierr 5y ago

How is the specific content of her Weibo post relevant at all here? The issue is that the woman was kidnapped by the Chinese government because simple because she spoke out publicly, and it seems to me that the media’s reporting has been very complete in that regard. What specifically has been lacking?

9tailedkitsune 5y ago
Because the media doesn't just report on her safety, it also reports on what she said? And how they interpret what she said has significant impact on how people think what happened?
FooBarWidget 5y ago
It's fine if you don't think it's relevant. I am posting for those who do think it's relevant.
- miohtama 5y ago
  Thank you sir. It is always better to read the source. Though in this case, the most of the discussion is about how party protect its members against scandals and law. Poor woman.
- stefan_ 5y ago
  Hey, if only the native speakers could weigh in on this! Do you want to explain again why that isn't possible?
- mongol 5y ago
  Thanks for posting it. I found it relevant.
- legutierr 5y ago
  When I asked "how is the content of her post relevant here?" I meant: how is the content of the post relevant with regards to your assertion that the media's reporting has been incomplete? I also asked you what specifically has been lacking in those media reports. You are not just posting this information to share it. You are making a claim that the media's reporting has been incomplete, which claim you have not substantiated. So, I ask again, what specific relevant information has been lacking from media reports?

9tailedkitsune 5y ago

The media never picks up on this, as expected

altern2 5y ago

The whole story is bs. She took some time of from social media after ending a complicated relationship and posting something she really shouldn't have. Who had the right to declare her missing in the first place? Which meetings didn't she show up for? Which family members couldn't contact her? Now that they've decided that she was missing the anti-china crowd are in the very convenient situation where they can discard everything they don't like. She makes a statement to Chinese news? Fake. Forced. Doesn't sound right. She posts pictures on wechat? Staged, deep-fake, oh and is that a Winnie the Pooh picture in the background? Clearly a cry for help! She appears on video? They have a gun to her head! They are acting weird! She talks to the IOC? Everyone knows China controls the IOC! The only thing they will accept if she denounces Xi Jinping as the literal antichrist.

tomatofarmer 5y ago

Why was it censored within 30 minutes? Surely a benign post would not lead to such extreme government efforts.

FooBarWidget 5y ago
Because censorship doesn't work the way you think it works. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344676
- tomatofarmer 5y ago
  It works exactly how I think it works. As long as no one takes notice, I am free to say whatever I want. You should reflect on how much effort you spend defending such a regime all over this website, twitter, and elsewhere.
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    Well you're ignoring the fact that the Chinese government is very open to criticisms and actually regularly change policies based on criticism, despite the counter-intuitive act of simultaneously censoring some critics. I have reflected and I disagree with you. Explaining how China works and presenting alternative views is not "defending [an evil] regime", thank you very much.
    - tomatofarmer 5y ago
      I am not ignoring that such a thing might happen. The regime must be able to doublespeak. Allowing a small amount of safe criticism and changing policies allows those in power to deflect and convince people who aren't paying attention. Any criticism that is a legitimate threat is met with blanket censorship - as in the case of Peng Shuai - or deadly violence as in the case of Tiananmen.
      - FooBarWidget 5y ago