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I don't see the relevance of the Lewinsky scandal to this. No one disappeared in the Lewinsky scandal, right?

mytailorisrich 5y ago
Has someone actually disappeared in this case? Is there any suggestion that she was detained in a secret location? Or is it just that she was effectively removed from all the media and public functions? It's not clear to me.
- AlexCoventry 5y ago
  She disappeared for some time, and has since only appeared in tightly controlled situations after public complaints by the WTA led to immense international pressure on the PRC to account for her.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    Again, this is 'disappearance' from public life and the media, and 're-appearance' in the media. But did she actually disappear? This means taken from her home with no-one including her family knowing where she was. Here [1] the report is that she "vanished from public view". Here [2] that she "she did not communicate on social media" and that noone at WTA "had been able to reach her directly". And here [3] there is no mention of that at all, just people outside of China wondering about her because her presence online was censored. Based on this I personally do not know whether she actually 'disappeared' at any time, and my guess is that no-one in Western organisations and media know, either. The only thing mentioned in these articles is that people outside of China could not reach her, which is quite different, and led to various speculations. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/nov/25/the-disappearance-of-chinese-tennis-star-peng-shuai-podcast https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/nov/25/the-disap... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peng_Shuai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peng_Shuai [3] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59338205 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59338205
justicezyx 5y ago
> This does not reveal anything more than what Lewinsky revealed about the US voting politics. Read my words. There is nothing in parallel between them. They just reveal a lot of similarity of how to play the sexual scandal for political gains in 2 political systems. Peng Shuai and Gaoli are not going to be harmed in any way more than Clinton and Lewinsky. As for anyone disappearing. No one will, CCP will make sure of that. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/china/peng-shuai-public-appearance-mic-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/china/peng-shuai-public-appea...
- AlexCoventry 5y ago
  So how is the parallel relevant to an article titled "What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule"?
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    > This does not reveal anything more than what Lewinsky revealed about the US voting politics. They reveal the characteristics of how 2 systems play out the sexual scandal. Of course, the actual revealed facts are different.
    - ginko 5y ago
      So you do agree that it DID reveal something after all? Maybe not to you since you're more privy to how these things are handled in China, but maybe to Western readers.
      - justicezyx 5y ago
        Yep, my original writing is dismissive to emphasize the similarities between this and the Clinton case.

Has someone actually disappeared in this case? Is there any suggestion that she was detained in a secret location? Or is it just that she was effectively removed from all the media and public functions? It's not clear to me.

AlexCoventry 5y ago
She disappeared for some time, and has since only appeared in tightly controlled situations after public complaints by the WTA led to immense international pressure on the PRC to account for her.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  Again, this is 'disappearance' from public life and the media, and 're-appearance' in the media. But did she actually disappear? This means taken from her home with no-one including her family knowing where she was. Here [1] the report is that she "vanished from public view". Here [2] that she "she did not communicate on social media" and that noone at WTA "had been able to reach her directly". And here [3] there is no mention of that at all, just people outside of China wondering about her because her presence online was censored. Based on this I personally do not know whether she actually 'disappeared' at any time, and my guess is that no-one in Western organisations and media know, either. The only thing mentioned in these articles is that people outside of China could not reach her, which is quite different, and led to various speculations. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/nov/25/the-disappearance-of-chinese-tennis-star-peng-shuai-podcast https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2021/nov/25/the-disap... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peng_Shuai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peng_Shuai [3] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59338205 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59338205

justicezyx 5y ago

> This does not reveal anything more than what Lewinsky revealed about the US voting politics. Read my words. There is nothing in parallel between them. They just reveal a lot of similarity of how to play the sexual scandal for political gains in 2 political systems. Peng Shuai and Gaoli are not going to be harmed in any way more than Clinton and Lewinsky. As for anyone disappearing. No one will, CCP will make sure of that. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/china/peng-shuai-public-appearance-mic-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/china/peng-shuai-public-appea...

AlexCoventry 5y ago
So how is the parallel relevant to an article titled "What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule"?
- justicezyx 5y ago
  > This does not reveal anything more than what Lewinsky revealed about the US voting politics. They reveal the characteristics of how 2 systems play out the sexual scandal. Of course, the actual revealed facts are different.
  - ginko 5y ago
    So you do agree that it DID reveal something after all? Maybe not to you since you're more privy to how these things are handled in China, but maybe to Western readers.
    - justicezyx 5y ago
      Yep, my original writing is dismissive to emphasize the similarities between this and the Clinton case.