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> With the Winter Olympics opening in Beijing in February, the IOC and corporate sponsors have multi-billion-dollar reasons to help China make the Peng Shuai st
by rectang 5y ago
> With the Winter Olympics opening in Beijing in February, the IOC and corporate sponsors have multi-billion-dollar reasons to help China make the Peng Shuai story go away. Therein lies a bleak lesson. The WTA has been brave in challenging China, given that it has organised lucrative tournaments there. But as a women’s sports association, it depends on retaining the confidence of women players. Sometimes there are incentives larger than China’s market.
It's remarkable that the WTA has stood up for Peng Shuai. International corporations typically knuckle under to the CCP. See the IOC's response, and also Jamie Dimon recently backtracking on his mild joke.
- __s 5y agoDidn't know context of joke here, so looked it up: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/jamie-dimon-quickly-backtracks-on-mild-china-joke.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/jamie-dimon-quickly-... The quotation seems to be garbled in that link, https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/jamie-dimon-jokes-jpmorgan-will-last-longer-than-chinas-ruling-party-but-cautions-over-taiwan-intervention-20211124 https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/jamie-dimon-jokes-jpmorgan... has one that makes more sense > The Communist Party is celebrating its 100th year. So is JPMorgan. And I’ll make you a bet we last longer. Tho second link isn't a citation for: > I can’t say that in China. They are probably listening anyway.
- walrus01 5y agoIf you really want to ensure you're on the CCP's shit list, casually call it Occupied West Taiwan and show a Kuomintang flag.
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- DaiPlusPlus 5y ago"Didn't know context of joke here" Why are people referring to it as a joke? He may have said it in a jocular tone-of-voice, but I don't think it was a joke at all: it's a reasoned statement to make and furthermore it's a statement I agree with: given US blue-chip companies' propensity to entrench themselves and the CCP's reversion back to authoritarianism (which history has made abundantly clear: rarely ends-well for authoritarians) means that absent anything unexpected happening, the CCP may very-well no-longer exist within a generation or two from now - or at least the CCP won't exist as-we-know-it.
- marcus_holmes 5y agoThere is a view of history where the thousands of years of Chinese rule-by-bureaucracy is uninterrupted. My grandfather grew up there and was fond of saying "you have to remember the Chinese did not pray to God. The average Chinese person is not important enough for that. They prayed to the third under-secretary to God's chamberlain. What they really worship is bureaucracy". I don't know China well enough to comment on this myself, but I always found it a fascinating take on the situation.
- dnautics 5y agoWhat is this thousands of years of uninterrupted rule thing? If nothing else there was a period where china's rule was very much interrupted by the mongols, not to mention warring states era, etc.
- coredog64 5y agoThe Imperial China period from 200-something BC to 1912 had pretty solid control over a fair chunk of what we think of as modern China.
- DaiPlusPlus 5y agoOne could make a similar argument and generalize about Europeans and claim European unity exists because for most of the past 2,000 years practically all states in Europe were under the influence of the Catholic church in some way or another. China's history is as complicated as any other similarly sized territory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:Divisions_of_Chinese_history.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:D...
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- chongli 5y agoIt is remarkable but it shouldn’t be surprising. As the article says, the WTA is a women’s sports association and arguably the most successful one in the world. If the WTA caved to pressure from China then they would rightly be vilified in the west for betraying women. There is no way they could ever do that and get away with it!
- adriand 5y agoPerhaps women are also better at speaking truth to power.
- igorkraw 5y agoI can't help but wonder this myself, although I don't think it is safe/easy to say this with confidence - but if you look at Jane Jacobs, Hannah Arendt, Simone Weil, Rosa Luxemburg, Chelsea Manning and others, I sometimes think about whether being in the historically weaker societal role sharpens your insight and moral cohones. I don't believe there's enough evidence to say it's there, but I would buy a story that went something like the subtle machismo men suck up as they get socialised might hinder us in those regards. But then I look to certain contemporary female lesbian politicians in my country and I reconsider that...and there have been people like David Graeber, James Scott, Mikhael Bakunin, Peter Kropotkin, Edward Snowden and many others as well.
- paisawalla 5y agoManning was a man when he became a whistleblower.
- zozbot234 5y agoSure, but even as a gender questioning male he was definitely being placed in a "historically weaker social role".
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- jdonaldson 5y agoI'm not a big fan of China, but it's probably best if our business leaders didn't mock each other's countries in poor taste.
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- outside1234 5y agoCan you be more specific? We are talking here about a former professional player the China government made disappear.
- flyinglizard 5y agoHe’s referring to Jamie Dimon from JPMorgan. I thought Dimon has quite the balls to come out on China like that, touching CCP and Taiwan (“China’s Vietnam” he called it, referring to America’s war) in a way that no one with business interests in China would.
- jdonaldson 5y agoYeah, I'm talking about Dimon. China deserves the negativity, but dunking on them publicly like that only makes it easier for the government to drum up anti-US sentiment.