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I am required to show a QR code to eat.

simion314 5y ago
Can't you just show the paper with the proof of vaccination? Like I might not have a smartphone but I have the paper and ID card in my wallet.
- emteycz 5y ago
  And the paper has a QR code and the checking application makes a request to a state-run server with its data (including owner ID).
  - sc11 5y ago
    That's incorrect, the verification happens fully locally. The check app occasionally has to update trusted certificates but otherwise it runs locally. No personal data is sent to any kind of server.
    - throwaway55421 5y ago
      Until it auto updates. If it even matches the source as is. Play Store and App Store are non reproducible.
      - simion314 5y ago
        Do you pay cash when you go to restaurants or shopping? If you pay electronically then why do you trust the payment system? (it is not open source,reproducible and for sure your purchases contain much more data then what you imply the QR code scanner collects)
        emteycz 5y ago
        Yes. And meal tickets for most people here - so cash equivalent.
        lmm 5y ago
        Many Germans refuse to use anything but cash for that very reason, so this isn't a very strong argument.
        throwaway55421 5y ago
        Yes.
      - sc11 5y ago
        It's on f-droid with reproducible builds. Obviously there's a risk that the person scanning the QR code does shady things with it but it's rather unlikely the app itself will. It would be caught really quickly.
  - simion314 5y ago
    It depends on location, I doubt some shop or restaurant worker will bother to scan your paper and upload it to the government. QR code scanning should work without Internet I bet if you (the group that thinks it is a conspiracy not you personally) could just disassemble the Android app and see exactly what it sends and to who.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      Yeah they don't bother, but that's illegal and the state is trying its best to force them to scan it.
blargpls 5y ago
In Germany you can also just show the Europäischer Impfausweis (official yellow booklet containing all your vaccinations) that doesn't contain any QR codes.
- amaccuish 5y ago
  Not in Berlin. Only the digital version is allowed for entry to those places. Source: https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/thema/corona/beitraege/2021/09/berlin-impfausweis-impfnachweis-digital-corona.html https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/thema/corona/beitraege/2021/09...
- hihihihi1234 5y ago
  Maybe you could save time by displaying it on an armband?
cyxxon 5y ago
...to eat at a restaurant. You can shop at a supermarket and eat at home. The thing is that yes, during the pandemic (and only then) for reasons of public health and safety, society has deemed this small violation of privacy necessary.
- emteycz 5y ago
  I can't cook when I work.
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- throwaway55421 5y ago
  Yeah, no, being logged everywhere you go is not "small".

Can't you just show the paper with the proof of vaccination? Like I might not have a smartphone but I have the paper and ID card in my wallet.

emteycz 5y ago
And the paper has a QR code and the checking application makes a request to a state-run server with its data (including owner ID).
- sc11 5y ago
  That's incorrect, the verification happens fully locally. The check app occasionally has to update trusted certificates but otherwise it runs locally. No personal data is sent to any kind of server.
  - throwaway55421 5y ago
    Until it auto updates. If it even matches the source as is. Play Store and App Store are non reproducible.
    - simion314 5y ago
      Do you pay cash when you go to restaurants or shopping? If you pay electronically then why do you trust the payment system? (it is not open source,reproducible and for sure your purchases contain much more data then what you imply the QR code scanner collects)
      - emteycz 5y ago
        Yes. And meal tickets for most people here - so cash equivalent.
      - lmm 5y ago
        Many Germans refuse to use anything but cash for that very reason, so this isn't a very strong argument.
      - throwaway55421 5y ago
        Yes.
    - sc11 5y ago
      It's on f-droid with reproducible builds. Obviously there's a risk that the person scanning the QR code does shady things with it but it's rather unlikely the app itself will. It would be caught really quickly.
- simion314 5y ago
  It depends on location, I doubt some shop or restaurant worker will bother to scan your paper and upload it to the government. QR code scanning should work without Internet I bet if you (the group that thinks it is a conspiracy not you personally) could just disassemble the Android app and see exactly what it sends and to who.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    Yeah they don't bother, but that's illegal and the state is trying its best to force them to scan it.

blargpls 5y ago

In Germany you can also just show the Europäischer Impfausweis (official yellow booklet containing all your vaccinations) that doesn't contain any QR codes.

amaccuish 5y ago
Not in Berlin. Only the digital version is allowed for entry to those places. Source: https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/thema/corona/beitraege/2021/09/berlin-impfausweis-impfnachweis-digital-corona.html https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/thema/corona/beitraege/2021/09...
hihihihi1234 5y ago
Maybe you could save time by displaying it on an armband?

cyxxon 5y ago

...to eat at a restaurant. You can shop at a supermarket and eat at home. The thing is that yes, during the pandemic (and only then) for reasons of public health and safety, society has deemed this small violation of privacy necessary.

emteycz 5y ago
I can't cook when I work.
- deleted 5y ago
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throwaway55421 5y ago
Yeah, no, being logged everywhere you go is not "small".