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The majority are unvaccinated people. It's really their own god damn fault for not getting vaccinated. At the most there should be a lockdown for unvaccinated p

by brummm 5y ago

The majority are unvaccinated people. It's really their own god damn fault for not getting vaccinated. At the most there should be a lockdown for unvaccinated people.

pelasaco 5y ago
I'm vaccinated and I'm German. Your suggestion ignores that vaccinated people are part of the transmission chain exactly as the non-vaccinated. We believed that vaccinated wouldn't transmit it, but they do. Kids too. If you are vaccinated and visit your grandma, you are putting her in risk. Testing everyone and quarantining the positives still our best bet to avoid social conflict while trying to fight this pandemic. References: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/impfdurchbrueche-impfquote-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/impfdurchbruec... (german)
- google234123 5y ago
  WIth this attitude you will never visit your grandma again. The classic influenza lineage has been around since 1918.
  - hammock 5y ago
    Exactly
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    which attitude? The only way to visit your grandma safe is testing. PCR.
- hihihihi1234 5y ago
  So if vaccinated people can still spread the virus, what is achieved by preventing the unvaccinated from eating in restaurants?
  - MauranKilom 5y ago
    - Vaccinated people (presumably) shed lower viral loads. Just that both can spread them does not mean that there's no difference in transmission rates. - Unvaccinated people are at greater risk of complications from catching COVID, so limiting the avenues for transmission to them helps curb fatality rates and hospital occupancy. - And, undoubtedly, it's also an incentive for individuals to get vaccinated. Again, with the goal to reduce the overall number of hospitalizations and deaths.
    - rad_gruchalski 5y ago
      > Unvaccinated people are at greater risk of complications from catching COVID, so limiting the avenues for transmission to them helps curb fatality rates and hospital occupancy. I’m tired of this argument. Unless one has a medical condition preventing them from being vaccinated, who cares? We somehow got in a state where we protect unvaccinated minority who doesn’t care about how inconvenient they make the lives of everyone else. One way of convincing people to vaccinate may be to make the ecmo treatment non-coverable under medical insurance for unvaccinated with no confirmed condition preventing vaccination and let’s move on with our lives. What’s the plan otherwise? Another 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
      - fsw 5y ago
        > Unless one has a medical condition preventing them from being vaccinated, who cares? We somehow got in a state where we protect unvaccinated minority who doesn’t care about how inconvenient they make the lives of everyone else. This wouldn't be such a big problem if the unvaccinated weren't overwhelming the hospitals and ICUs, which affects everybody in case of emergencies or even planned surgeries.
        rad_gruchalski 5y ago
        That’s my point. Perhaps they would vaccinate if they knew it will cost €€€€€ when they end up in treatment.
- throwaway55421 5y ago
  Non issue, if you are vaccinated and not old you will not die to 3dp. If you're not vaccinated and not old you will not die to 1-2dp. It's finished, done, boring now.

by brummm 5y ago

The majority are unvaccinated people. It's really their own god damn fault for not getting vaccinated. At the most there should be a lockdown for unvaccinated people.

pelasaco 5y ago

I'm vaccinated and I'm German. Your suggestion ignores that vaccinated people are part of the transmission chain exactly as the non-vaccinated. We believed that vaccinated wouldn't transmit it, but they do. Kids too. If you are vaccinated and visit your grandma, you are putting her in risk. Testing everyone and quarantining the positives still our best bet to avoid social conflict while trying to fight this pandemic. References: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/impfdurchbrueche-impfquote-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/impfdurchbruec... (german)

google234123 5y ago
WIth this attitude you will never visit your grandma again. The classic influenza lineage has been around since 1918.
- hammock 5y ago
  Exactly
- pelasaco 5y ago
  which attitude? The only way to visit your grandma safe is testing. PCR.
hihihihi1234 5y ago
So if vaccinated people can still spread the virus, what is achieved by preventing the unvaccinated from eating in restaurants?
- MauranKilom 5y ago
  - Vaccinated people (presumably) shed lower viral loads. Just that both can spread them does not mean that there's no difference in transmission rates. - Unvaccinated people are at greater risk of complications from catching COVID, so limiting the avenues for transmission to them helps curb fatality rates and hospital occupancy. - And, undoubtedly, it's also an incentive for individuals to get vaccinated. Again, with the goal to reduce the overall number of hospitalizations and deaths.
  - rad_gruchalski 5y ago
    > Unvaccinated people are at greater risk of complications from catching COVID, so limiting the avenues for transmission to them helps curb fatality rates and hospital occupancy. I’m tired of this argument. Unless one has a medical condition preventing them from being vaccinated, who cares? We somehow got in a state where we protect unvaccinated minority who doesn’t care about how inconvenient they make the lives of everyone else. One way of convincing people to vaccinate may be to make the ecmo treatment non-coverable under medical insurance for unvaccinated with no confirmed condition preventing vaccination and let’s move on with our lives. What’s the plan otherwise? Another 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
    - fsw 5y ago
      > Unless one has a medical condition preventing them from being vaccinated, who cares? We somehow got in a state where we protect unvaccinated minority who doesn’t care about how inconvenient they make the lives of everyone else. This wouldn't be such a big problem if the unvaccinated weren't overwhelming the hospitals and ICUs, which affects everybody in case of emergencies or even planned surgeries.
      - rad_gruchalski 5y ago
        That’s my point. Perhaps they would vaccinate if they knew it will cost €€€€€ when they end up in treatment.
throwaway55421 5y ago
Non issue, if you are vaccinated and not old you will not die to 3dp. If you're not vaccinated and not old you will not die to 1-2dp. It's finished, done, boring now.