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The mindset of exploiting your customers by denying them the right to repair is the same for denying your workers any improvements in their earnings. Luckily wo

The mindset of exploiting your customers by denying them the right to repair is the same for denying your workers any improvements in their earnings. Luckily workers are in short supply and can easily get other jobs in this super hot job market.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
The union workers went on strike and won. John Deere also raised non union wages after agreeing to the new union contract. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/business/john-deere-uaw-strike-vote/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/business/john-deere-uaw-strik... https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2021/11/23/john-deere-strike-ends-non-union-workers-wages-raised/8741602002/ https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2021/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_John_Deere_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_John_Deere_strike
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  > John Deere also raised non union wages after agreeing to the new union contract. Which goes against one of the common anti-union arguments....that it somehow hurts non-unionized labor. Back in the 70's ~25% of the US workforce were unionized. Now it's well under 10%.
  - ChrisLomont 5y ago
    And median wages are much higher than in the 1970s, and more women and minorities get jobs too.
    - KennyBlanken 5y ago
      Wages have only gone up appreciably for people well over the 50th percentile. For those at or under 50th percentile, they've stagnated. https://media.cleveland.com/datacentral/photo/11557873-large.jpg https://media.cleveland.com/datacentral/photo/11557873-large... Adjusted for inflation, median family income has risen by less than 10% in fifty years: https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/mfi3.gif https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/mfi3.gif More: http://www.aboutinflation.com/_/rsrc/1366245050708/salary-and-inflation/average-earnings-us/us-earnings-inflation-adjusted-age-16-historical/US_Earnings_per_week_inflation_adjusted_age_16_plus_historical_chart_2012.png http://www.aboutinflation.com/_/rsrc/1366245050708/salary-an... Also, look at more metrics like rate of home ownership, general savings, retirement savings, etc. Over the last fifty years, the top 1% wealthiest have pillaged the lower and middle class.
      - ChrisLomont 5y ago
        Those don't capture total remuneration, as captured by the BLS. Since 1970 employees have received more of their total remuneration outside of wages, and these benefits are usually fixed cost. More relevant is total cost to employ, also tracked by BLS [1]. This accounts for legislative changes that add cost to employ, which lowers money available for wages. Such laws are generally beneficial to workers, and there have been gains here too Also the top is not some fixed group. Over a career a significant percentage of people enter and leave. The top % contains so many people it's simply bigotry to claim their gains were taken from others. The correct answer is that low skill jobs haven't seen the productivity gains that skilled ones have since 1970. Computerization didn't help plumbers or cooks increase output as much as it helped architects, accountants, etc. If anything, Baumols Cost Disease [2] is pulling up wages for lower incomes beyond their productivity warrants. Otherwise they'd have similar income to the same jobs in 1950. [1] https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ecec.nr0.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ecec.nr0.htm [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol%27s_cost_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol%27s_cost_disease
  - nebula8804 5y ago
    Take it from someone who wasted too much time from 2018-2020 trying to elect progressive candidates that support unions/universal health care/tuition free college. The population at large does not care, will gladly believe misinformation given to them by mainstream sources, and will not even fathom changing until it gets unbearably painful. I suspect what will happen is that little by little each sub-class gets squeezed and broken. It is effectively happened with the low 20% now the middle class is at the point of breaking and the upper middle classes are next as we automate and outsource more while collar jobs.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - TimesOldRoman 5y ago
    All workers benefits increase with proximity to unions. Doesn't even have to be the same industry, but often it is. See: nurses and teacher unions.
JoeyBananas 5y ago
Repair is nowhere near fundamental enough to be considered a right. There is a reason it's not in the Constitution. The other rights give people the ability to repair things.
- GauntletWizard 5y ago
  Repair isn't a natural right, but it is a natural consequence of natural rights. IF you don't own your devices enough to swap components, flash their firmware, and root around their insides, your natural rights of ownership over your possessions are being trampled. Your freedom to tinker is your freedom to learn and think. Your freedom to break and reprogram is your freedom to protest. Your freedom to change and repurpose is freedom to be secure against search and seizure. These freedoms are being trampled by corporations that are certain that their right to profit overrides them - Don't let them. No, "Repair" isn't a right in and of itself, but by the time you've lost the ability to, you've lost all of your other rights.
  - Shared404 5y ago
    > No, "Repair" isn't a right in and of itself, but by the time you've lost the ability to, you've lost all of your other rights. If you don't mind, I'll be stealing this the next time someone doesn't understand why I care so much about r2r.
  - JoeyBananas 5y ago
    Sure, but r2r activists are doing things such as requiring OEMs to sell spare parts and release proprietary documentation. That is where I draw the line, it is clearly government overreach.
- klyrs 5y ago
  > There is a reason it's not in the Constitution. Indeed, DRM hadn't been invented yet. The simplicity of manufacturing technology available was what gave people the ability to repair things. And, don't forget the Ninth. The enumerated rights are not exhaustive.
- salawat 5y ago

toomuchtodo 5y ago

The union workers went on strike and won. John Deere also raised non union wages after agreeing to the new union contract. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/business/john-deere-uaw-strike-vote/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/business/john-deere-uaw-strik... https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2021/11/23/john-deere-strike-ends-non-union-workers-wages-raised/8741602002/ https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2021/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_John_Deere_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_John_Deere_strike

KennyBlanken 5y ago
> John Deere also raised non union wages after agreeing to the new union contract. Which goes against one of the common anti-union arguments....that it somehow hurts non-unionized labor. Back in the 70's ~25% of the US workforce were unionized. Now it's well under 10%.
- ChrisLomont 5y ago
  And median wages are much higher than in the 1970s, and more women and minorities get jobs too.
  - KennyBlanken 5y ago
    Wages have only gone up appreciably for people well over the 50th percentile. For those at or under 50th percentile, they've stagnated. https://media.cleveland.com/datacentral/photo/11557873-large.jpg https://media.cleveland.com/datacentral/photo/11557873-large... Adjusted for inflation, median family income has risen by less than 10% in fifty years: https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/mfi3.gif https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/mfi3.gif More: http://www.aboutinflation.com/_/rsrc/1366245050708/salary-and-inflation/average-earnings-us/us-earnings-inflation-adjusted-age-16-historical/US_Earnings_per_week_inflation_adjusted_age_16_plus_historical_chart_2012.png http://www.aboutinflation.com/_/rsrc/1366245050708/salary-an... Also, look at more metrics like rate of home ownership, general savings, retirement savings, etc. Over the last fifty years, the top 1% wealthiest have pillaged the lower and middle class.
    - ChrisLomont 5y ago
      Those don't capture total remuneration, as captured by the BLS. Since 1970 employees have received more of their total remuneration outside of wages, and these benefits are usually fixed cost. More relevant is total cost to employ, also tracked by BLS [1]. This accounts for legislative changes that add cost to employ, which lowers money available for wages. Such laws are generally beneficial to workers, and there have been gains here too Also the top is not some fixed group. Over a career a significant percentage of people enter and leave. The top % contains so many people it's simply bigotry to claim their gains were taken from others. The correct answer is that low skill jobs haven't seen the productivity gains that skilled ones have since 1970. Computerization didn't help plumbers or cooks increase output as much as it helped architects, accountants, etc. If anything, Baumols Cost Disease [2] is pulling up wages for lower incomes beyond their productivity warrants. Otherwise they'd have similar income to the same jobs in 1950. [1] https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ecec.nr0.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ecec.nr0.htm [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol%27s_cost_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol%27s_cost_disease
- nebula8804 5y ago
  Take it from someone who wasted too much time from 2018-2020 trying to elect progressive candidates that support unions/universal health care/tuition free college. The population at large does not care, will gladly believe misinformation given to them by mainstream sources, and will not even fathom changing until it gets unbearably painful. I suspect what will happen is that little by little each sub-class gets squeezed and broken. It is effectively happened with the low 20% now the middle class is at the point of breaking and the upper middle classes are next as we automate and outsource more while collar jobs.
- deleted 5y ago
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- TimesOldRoman 5y ago
  All workers benefits increase with proximity to unions. Doesn't even have to be the same industry, but often it is. See: nurses and teacher unions.

JoeyBananas 5y ago

Repair is nowhere near fundamental enough to be considered a right. There is a reason it's not in the Constitution. The other rights give people the ability to repair things.

GauntletWizard 5y ago
Repair isn't a natural right, but it is a natural consequence of natural rights. IF you don't own your devices enough to swap components, flash their firmware, and root around their insides, your natural rights of ownership over your possessions are being trampled. Your freedom to tinker is your freedom to learn and think. Your freedom to break and reprogram is your freedom to protest. Your freedom to change and repurpose is freedom to be secure against search and seizure. These freedoms are being trampled by corporations that are certain that their right to profit overrides them - Don't let them. No, "Repair" isn't a right in and of itself, but by the time you've lost the ability to, you've lost all of your other rights.
- Shared404 5y ago
  > No, "Repair" isn't a right in and of itself, but by the time you've lost the ability to, you've lost all of your other rights. If you don't mind, I'll be stealing this the next time someone doesn't understand why I care so much about r2r.
- JoeyBananas 5y ago
  Sure, but r2r activists are doing things such as requiring OEMs to sell spare parts and release proprietary documentation. That is where I draw the line, it is clearly government overreach.
klyrs 5y ago
> There is a reason it's not in the Constitution. Indeed, DRM hadn't been invented yet. The simplicity of manufacturing technology available was what gave people the ability to repair things. And, don't forget the Ninth. The enumerated rights are not exhaustive.
salawat 5y ago