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That's the point I was trying to make. Generally employees do not actually have much of a choice, if any. Especially if they have families to provide for so the

That's the point I was trying to make. Generally employees do not actually have much of a choice, if any. Especially if they have families to provide for so the distinction is rather moot

HideousKojima 5y ago
Employees can find another job. Or they can choose to have no job, and potentially starve to death etc. But the latter is the default of the human condition, and has little to do with the whims of corporations.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  Ah yes they can just choose to starve to death! Couldn't slaves make the choice to be beaten to death or executed for not working? Thank you for proving my point
  - HideousKojima 5y ago
    If you're suggesting that human beings are "slaves" to the natural condition, yes. Work or starve has been the default state of humanity (and all forms of life on Earth) since the dawn of time. It's not "slavery" or "capitalism" or anything else, it's the default state of being.
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      Oh my apologies, I guess that excuses paying people so little that they can't survive off the wages and need food assistance from the government. Capitalism truly has all the answers! Companies were in a race to the bottom for wages, and many still are. People working these jobs sure maybe they can get an education, or get a foot in somewhere else. What about the next person to fill the shitty role they left? It's a continuous cycle of shitting on the lowest paid people in society and it needs to stop
jkljkljkl1 5y ago
Employees have numerous options? Slaves cant just get a new master, it was criminal to escape?
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  Does an unskilled laborer have options in silicon valley? What options are those?
  - jkljkljkl1 5y ago
    Seems like goalposts, wasn't the thread about Facebook monitoring it's employees'? What unskilled labor is that?
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      The post I initially responded to was about employers in general, and that post was responding to something about Facebook. This transitioned the conversation to the overarching theme of employer/employee relationship and pay

That's the point I was trying to make. Generally employees do not actually have much of a choice, if any. Especially if they have families to provide for so the distinction is rather moot

HideousKojima 5y ago

Employees can find another job. Or they can choose to have no job, and potentially starve to death etc. But the latter is the default of the human condition, and has little to do with the whims of corporations.

netizen-936824 5y ago
Ah yes they can just choose to starve to death! Couldn't slaves make the choice to be beaten to death or executed for not working? Thank you for proving my point
- HideousKojima 5y ago
  If you're suggesting that human beings are "slaves" to the natural condition, yes. Work or starve has been the default state of humanity (and all forms of life on Earth) since the dawn of time. It's not "slavery" or "capitalism" or anything else, it's the default state of being.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    Oh my apologies, I guess that excuses paying people so little that they can't survive off the wages and need food assistance from the government. Capitalism truly has all the answers! Companies were in a race to the bottom for wages, and many still are. People working these jobs sure maybe they can get an education, or get a foot in somewhere else. What about the next person to fill the shitty role they left? It's a continuous cycle of shitting on the lowest paid people in society and it needs to stop

jkljkljkl1 5y ago

Employees have numerous options? Slaves cant just get a new master, it was criminal to escape?

netizen-936824 5y ago
Does an unskilled laborer have options in silicon valley? What options are those?
- jkljkljkl1 5y ago
  Seems like goalposts, wasn't the thread about Facebook monitoring it's employees'? What unskilled labor is that?
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    The post I initially responded to was about employers in general, and that post was responding to something about Facebook. This transitioned the conversation to the overarching theme of employer/employee relationship and pay