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> Natural immunity has been shown to be 6-14x as effective as full vaccination. > The fact that fully vaccinated people have the same viral load with Delta inv

> Natural immunity has been shown to be 6-14x as effective as full vaccination. > The fact that fully vaccinated people have the same viral load with Delta invalidates a huge amount of your (and the Irish government's) reasoning behind demonizing the unvaccinated. Do you have sources for either of these claims? Everything I've seen seems to indicate the opposite.

NoPie 5y ago
Israel study shows that previous infection provides higher immunity. I haven't seen any other studies showing the opposite but not many of them are done. Most studies compare previously infected unvaccinated with previously infected vaccinated to show that vaccine provides additional immunity. The second is fast developing situation therefore not many studies are done. I had statistics from hospital admittance in Latvia. It was interesting to see that about 13% of deaths are in vaccinated and 30% of hospitalized were vaccinated too. At this time Latvia had about 60% vaccinated almost the same in all age groups. It shows that vaccine has some effectiveness but vaccinated still spread infection considerably. The main benefit is that it reduces risk of death about 10 times but risk reduction in getting infected or sick is not that good.
angelzen 5y ago
Probably the OP refers to a large scale Israeli study from late summer. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... Edit. While googling around on this topic, I stumbled upon a decent comparison between the Israeli study and a CDC study that claims the opposite, specifically that covid recovered are five times more likely to be hospitalized for covid than the vaccinated. https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-covid-immunity-studies/ https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-...
mandmandam 5y ago
There are various sources for the first line, hence the 6-14x. You can choose whichever you like. But think about it - have you heard of even one single case of someone recovering from Covid and then spreading it? The CDC haven't - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29201823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29201823 Contrast with vaccines. Contrast with the rhetoric. This shit is bananas. For the second line, again, the CDC have said it themselves, albeit with caveats: > For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var... Think about how wild it is that with all our communication capabilities you need to hear this from a random dude on HN. There is very sophisticated and coordinated fear-mongering at play.
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NoPie 5y ago

Israel study shows that previous infection provides higher immunity. I haven't seen any other studies showing the opposite but not many of them are done. Most studies compare previously infected unvaccinated with previously infected vaccinated to show that vaccine provides additional immunity. The second is fast developing situation therefore not many studies are done. I had statistics from hospital admittance in Latvia. It was interesting to see that about 13% of deaths are in vaccinated and 30% of hospitalized were vaccinated too. At this time Latvia had about 60% vaccinated almost the same in all age groups. It shows that vaccine has some effectiveness but vaccinated still spread infection considerably. The main benefit is that it reduces risk of death about 10 times but risk reduction in getting infected or sick is not that good.

angelzen 5y ago

Probably the OP refers to a large scale Israeli study from late summer. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... Edit. While googling around on this topic, I stumbled upon a decent comparison between the Israeli study and a CDC study that claims the opposite, specifically that covid recovered are five times more likely to be hospitalized for covid than the vaccinated. https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-covid-immunity-studies/ https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-...

mandmandam 5y ago

There are various sources for the first line, hence the 6-14x. You can choose whichever you like. But think about it - have you heard of even one single case of someone recovering from Covid and then spreading it? The CDC haven't - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29201823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29201823 Contrast with vaccines. Contrast with the rhetoric. This shit is bananas. For the second line, again, the CDC have said it themselves, albeit with caveats: > For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var... Think about how wild it is that with all our communication capabilities you need to hear this from a random dude on HN. There is very sophisticated and coordinated fear-mongering at play.

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