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I know of one case of a Polish prosecutor who does not obey (do not want to bend the law) Zbigniew Ziobro, who is both the minister of justice and the prosecuto

by imarid 5y ago

I know of one case of a Polish prosecutor who does not obey (do not want to bend the law) Zbigniew Ziobro, who is both the minister of justice and the prosecutor general. She received a notification from Apple just today. Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/e_wrzosek/status/1463551631648251915 https://mobile.twitter.com/e_wrzosek/status/1463551631648251...

pomian 5y ago
I think you need to add a translation of the tweet. Because it sounds as if he didn't obey Apple's warning. Yet I think he approves of Apple's s notification. It is the government who he wasn't obeying? So the government installed the spyware?
- awestley 5y ago
  Translates to: "I just received an alert @AppleSupport about a possible cyberattack on my phone from state services. With the indication that I may be targeted for what I am doing or who I am. I will take the warning seriously because it was preceded by other incidents @ZiobroPL is this a coincidence?"
- aakkaarr 5y ago
  It is like polish Watergate: the prosecutor has been criticizing minister Ziobro and already lost her job (not only her, this problem is now on EU table and European trials say polish gov is breaking the law doing this) and now she learned minister Ziobro was spying her (and probably is still doing this)
  - ngcc_hk 5y ago
    Wow. Just need to have something against state level power … just can’t fight them on an individual basis on one’s own alone.
  - ajuc 5y ago
    The problem is that Ziobro was already doing this (illegally wiretapping opposition) together with Kamiński and Kaczyński when they were in power in 00s. They lost power, almost got to jail but avoided it thanks to political calculation of the next party (that used them as "look at least we aren't like them" threat), then they got elected again anyway in 2015. They have majority support right now because of social spending and their supporters don't care about rule of law, corruption, any of that. There were already dozens of similar-scale scandals since 2015. Nobody cares. It's frustrating, really.
dillondoyle 5y ago
Is it concerning to any security people with more knowledge than me that this is sent via iMessage?!
- avree 5y ago
  iMessage is extremely secure and utilizes end-to-end encryption, why is this concerning to you?
  - aroman 5y ago
    And it has spam problems: https://www.wired.com/2014/08/apples-imessage-is-being-taken-over-by-spammers/ https://www.wired.com/2014/08/apples-imessage-is-being-taken... The problem is authenticity and authority, not encryption. How can the user know this message really came from Apple and not a spammer?
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - simondotau 5y ago
      That article is seven years old and in no way reflects current reality. In fact it has never reflected my own experience or that of anyone I know, where iMessage spam has been near enough to non-existent. And even if there were a spam problem, the risk is mostly on the upside anyway. It would only be an issue if iMessage got a reputation for flooding people with admonishments to take security seriously, purportedly from Apple.
      - rjzzleep 5y ago
        Meanwhile apple has added iMessage apps[1], that you can add to your iMessage and there recently were a few iMessage exploits including a zero-click one[2]. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206906 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206906 [2] https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/19/zero-click-imessage-exploit/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/19/zero-click-imessage-exploit/
orloffm 5y ago
OK, but what does that mean? They use that Israeli spying tool against her?

by imarid 5y ago

pomian 5y ago

I think you need to add a translation of the tweet. Because it sounds as if he didn't obey Apple's warning. Yet I think he approves of Apple's s notification. It is the government who he wasn't obeying? So the government installed the spyware?

awestley 5y ago
Translates to: "I just received an alert @AppleSupport about a possible cyberattack on my phone from state services. With the indication that I may be targeted for what I am doing or who I am. I will take the warning seriously because it was preceded by other incidents @ZiobroPL is this a coincidence?"
aakkaarr 5y ago
It is like polish Watergate: the prosecutor has been criticizing minister Ziobro and already lost her job (not only her, this problem is now on EU table and European trials say polish gov is breaking the law doing this) and now she learned minister Ziobro was spying her (and probably is still doing this)
- ngcc_hk 5y ago
  Wow. Just need to have something against state level power … just can’t fight them on an individual basis on one’s own alone.
- ajuc 5y ago
  The problem is that Ziobro was already doing this (illegally wiretapping opposition) together with Kamiński and Kaczyński when they were in power in 00s. They lost power, almost got to jail but avoided it thanks to political calculation of the next party (that used them as "look at least we aren't like them" threat), then they got elected again anyway in 2015. They have majority support right now because of social spending and their supporters don't care about rule of law, corruption, any of that. There were already dozens of similar-scale scandals since 2015. Nobody cares. It's frustrating, really.

dillondoyle 5y ago

Is it concerning to any security people with more knowledge than me that this is sent via iMessage?!

avree 5y ago
iMessage is extremely secure and utilizes end-to-end encryption, why is this concerning to you?
- aroman 5y ago
  And it has spam problems: https://www.wired.com/2014/08/apples-imessage-is-being-taken-over-by-spammers/ https://www.wired.com/2014/08/apples-imessage-is-being-taken... The problem is authenticity and authority, not encryption. How can the user know this message really came from Apple and not a spammer?
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - simondotau 5y ago
    That article is seven years old and in no way reflects current reality. In fact it has never reflected my own experience or that of anyone I know, where iMessage spam has been near enough to non-existent. And even if there were a spam problem, the risk is mostly on the upside anyway. It would only be an issue if iMessage got a reputation for flooding people with admonishments to take security seriously, purportedly from Apple.
    - rjzzleep 5y ago
      Meanwhile apple has added iMessage apps[1], that you can add to your iMessage and there recently were a few iMessage exploits including a zero-click one[2]. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206906 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206906 [2] https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/19/zero-click-imessage-exploit/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/19/zero-click-imessage-exploit/

orloffm 5y ago

OK, but what does that mean? They use that Israeli spying tool against her?