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quadrifoliate 5y ago
> Baloney. Yes, I'm sure we can find some 1 in a 1,000,000 exceptional case of some bright student from a marginalized community who just couldn't obtain some obscure reference book in their high school library because conservatives had "banned it" (i.e. chosen not to include it in their limited selection due to content concerns). However, I find it hard to believe that 99.9999% of students, who probably haven't even used their public school's library more than a few times in their whole life, would be absolutely unable to obtain anything they could possibly want, for the price they already spend in a week on video games or music. That is not the point. The point is that you don't want legislators, left or right-wing, picking the books that students can access in the library system of their school. School librarians are the ones who do that. It's a decentralized system that works extraordinarily well without political interference, and has done so for hundreds of years. > Examples like this apply to like 0.001% of the population, and instead of spending tens of millions of dollars and years fighting for insanely insecure voting rules... This is wholly irrelevant to the topic being discussed, which is legislatively banning books from public library systems. > Likewise, I have never ever heard of any adult using a public school library (e.g. high school or elementary school) to obtain books or other media for themselves. No, students use those libraries. Students that go to public schools. Adults usually go to their area's library systems. I suggest you check out your local library. You might find it stocked full of books that are interesting. And you can check them out, for free! The only takeaway for me from a lot of this discussion has been that a lot of people don't seem to have much of an idea about libraries in general, school or public; or the role they play in society.
- hiram112 5y ago
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  - quadrifoliate 5y ago
    You are making a lot of extraordinary claims, with no sources to back them up. My guess is that you work in software (like many on this site) and are making the Dunning-Kruger mistake of thinking that you know more than you actually do about teaching and libraries. Instead, I'd encourage you to imagine how you would feel if legislators started talking about banning "dangerous, anti-capitalist operating systems like Linux". In any case, "I guess that...<wild conspiracy theory>" is not a reasonable basis for legislation, which is why these legislators are correctly being criticized.
    - nec4b 5y ago
      >>You are making a lot of extraordinary claims, with no sources to back them up. You didn't use any sources yourself in your comment, but expect from GP to style his comments like a scientific article ready to be published in a scientific journal. >>anti-capitalist operating systems like Linux It probably has more corporate sponsors [1] than any other software in the world. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
dang 5y ago
This comment was a noticeable step further into ideological flamewar, and broke other site guidelines as well. Would you please review them and not post like this to HN? We're trying to avoid this kind of thing here, because it destroys the intellectual curiosity that the site is supposed to be for. Edit: we've also had to ask you about this multiple times in the past. If you'd please review the site guidelines and fix this going forward, we'd appreciate it. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29330726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29330726.

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> Baloney. Yes, I'm sure we can find some 1 in a 1,000,000 exceptional case of some bright student from a marginalized community who just couldn't obtain some obscure reference book in their high school library because conservatives had "banned it" (i.e. chosen not to include it in their limited selection due to content concerns). However, I find it hard to believe that 99.9999% of students, who probably haven't even used their public school's library more than a few times in their whole life, would be absolutely unable to obtain anything they could possibly want, for the price they already spend in a week on video games or music. That is not the point. The point is that you don't want legislators, left or right-wing, picking the books that students can access in the library system of their school. School librarians are the ones who do that. It's a decentralized system that works extraordinarily well without political interference, and has done so for hundreds of years. > Examples like this apply to like 0.001% of the population, and instead of spending tens of millions of dollars and years fighting for insanely insecure voting rules... This is wholly irrelevant to the topic being discussed, which is legislatively banning books from public library systems. > Likewise, I have never ever heard of any adult using a public school library (e.g. high school or elementary school) to obtain books or other media for themselves. No, students use those libraries. Students that go to public schools. Adults usually go to their area's library systems. I suggest you check out your local library. You might find it stocked full of books that are interesting. And you can check them out, for free! The only takeaway for me from a lot of this discussion has been that a lot of people don't seem to have much of an idea about libraries in general, school or public; or the role they play in society.

hiram112 5y ago
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- quadrifoliate 5y ago
  You are making a lot of extraordinary claims, with no sources to back them up. My guess is that you work in software (like many on this site) and are making the Dunning-Kruger mistake of thinking that you know more than you actually do about teaching and libraries. Instead, I'd encourage you to imagine how you would feel if legislators started talking about banning "dangerous, anti-capitalist operating systems like Linux". In any case, "I guess that...<wild conspiracy theory>" is not a reasonable basis for legislation, which is why these legislators are correctly being criticized.
  - nec4b 5y ago
    >>You are making a lot of extraordinary claims, with no sources to back them up. You didn't use any sources yourself in your comment, but expect from GP to style his comments like a scientific article ready to be published in a scientific journal. >>anti-capitalist operating systems like Linux It probably has more corporate sponsors [1] than any other software in the world. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation

dang 5y ago

This comment was a noticeable step further into ideological flamewar, and broke other site guidelines as well. Would you please review them and not post like this to HN? We're trying to avoid this kind of thing here, because it destroys the intellectual curiosity that the site is supposed to be for. Edit: we've also had to ask you about this multiple times in the past. If you'd please review the site guidelines and fix this going forward, we'd appreciate it. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29330726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29330726.