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k-12 students are not adults. We ban and censor all sorts of things for the the underage crowd, look up CIPA. There are borderline pedophilia books available at

k-12 students are not adults. We ban and censor all sorts of things for the the underage crowd, look up CIPA. There are borderline pedophilia books available at school libraries. I've also seen several examples of incredibly racist CRT books in classrooms. I don't think young kids should have unfettered access to this stuff. They're not able to process it correctly. If communities are saying they do not want this is classrooms then I think that's the way it should be. Schools don't get to be an authoritarian decision maker on how everyone's kids should be raised. Aside from the censorship issue I'd rather my tax dollars go to more useful stuff than smut books.

netizen-936824 5y ago
What is the 'correct' way to process it? Who determines what is 'correct'? When do they learn this correct way? How do they learn? Considering you seem confident in this knowledge, I eagerly await the list of citations.
- tenebrisalietum 5y ago
  > Who determines what is 'correct'? The kids' parents. > When do they learn this correct way? The kids' parents. > How do they learn? From their parents. After all the child belongs to the parents so they get to make these decisions.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    In that case, why have schools at all? The parents are apparently omnipotent and can handle instruction, no?
    - tenebrisalietum 5y ago
      Some parents homeschool.
wpurvis1 5y ago
"I've also seen several examples of incredibly racist CRT books in classrooms." Can you list some examples?
- Wistar 5y ago
  Yes, please list. Just a couple will do.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    See above. Plenty of easily found examples if you actually do research and don't accept the MSM narrative that it's only a legal theory and not found in public schools.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  https://thepostmillennial.com/25-public-school-districts-use-childrens-book-that-depict-whiteness-as-evil/ https://thepostmillennial.com/25-public-school-districts-use... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-worst-examples-of-critical-race-theory-in-schools/ar-BB1g2M6l https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-worst-examples-of-crit... There's the first lovely one that literally has a picture of devil equating it to being white. Yes it's a conservative source, feel free to disprove it. Ibram X. Kendhi race grifting CRT stance has been implemented into curriculum in several school districts as well. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/24/north-carolina-school-ibram-kendi/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/24/north-carolina... The 1619 project has been accepted in many school districts https://www.newsweek.com/u-s-schools-have-openly-taught-1619-project-months-1530138 https://www.newsweek.com/u-s-schools-have-openly-taught-1619... Oh and you have this lovely teacher that accepted these racist ideas and decided to segregate her classroom based on race https://news.yahoo.com/atlanta-elementary-school-segregated-second-181732613.html https://news.yahoo.com/atlanta-elementary-school-segregated-... And don't bother with the CRT is a legal theory only taught in colleges. Yes that's the original source but all of this stuff present in k-12 is a downstream effect of that same thinking. Label it whatever you want, it's racist and needs to stop.
zorpner 5y ago
> I've also seen several examples of incredibly racist CRT books in classrooms. You mean to tell me that high-level academic critical theory is being taught to children? Please, name the books.
JaimeThompson 5y ago
Should religious texts which contain such things or related topics be removed as well?
- hulitu 5y ago
  Well, the bible has a lot of stories which shall not be teach to children.
- UnFleshedOne 5y ago
  Yes.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  Depends on how they're being taught. If they're being used as examples of what a religion is then no. If they're being used like Lawn Boy to brainwash kids into thinking pedophilia is acceptable then no. Maybe you should ask whether you'd be ok with a religious class where we teach that everyone should be a good Christian? Let me know when the ACLU takes the same stance on LGBTQ books because right now I'd put them squarely in the same category as religion. People have a cult like adherence to LGBTQ ideology. https://www.aclu.org/other/statement-bible-public-schools-first-amendment-guide https://www.aclu.org/other/statement-bible-public-schools-fi...
ffggvv 5y ago
not to mention the same people in a huff over this are burning and banning dr seuss and huckleberry finn and tearing down statues of the founding fathers as racist.
- aspenmayer 5y ago
  Is there any debate about the founding fathers avowed racism, even under the historical standards of their time? What has changed, in the interim, is the social acceptability of racism, public or private. This shift away from racist beliefs or acts is an unqualified social good. Of course, you’re free to belief that the founding fathers weren’t racist, but I don’t think that there is much writing by them to that effect.
  - ffggvv 5y ago
    i didn’t say they weren’t. i said the same people crying about book banning in this case are the most prolific censors themselves
coffeefirst 5y ago
Or we could teach critical thinking skills in schools. They’re going to hit college, or the Internet, or cable news, and find all kinds of totally bonkers ideas. Wouldn’t it make sense to prepare them to deal with dubious information?

netizen-936824 5y ago

What is the 'correct' way to process it? Who determines what is 'correct'? When do they learn this correct way? How do they learn? Considering you seem confident in this knowledge, I eagerly await the list of citations.

tenebrisalietum 5y ago
> Who determines what is 'correct'? The kids' parents. > When do they learn this correct way? The kids' parents. > How do they learn? From their parents. After all the child belongs to the parents so they get to make these decisions.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  In that case, why have schools at all? The parents are apparently omnipotent and can handle instruction, no?
  - tenebrisalietum 5y ago
    Some parents homeschool.

wpurvis1 5y ago

"I've also seen several examples of incredibly racist CRT books in classrooms." Can you list some examples?

Wistar 5y ago
Yes, please list. Just a couple will do.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  See above. Plenty of easily found examples if you actually do research and don't accept the MSM narrative that it's only a legal theory and not found in public schools.
CountDrewku 5y ago
https://thepostmillennial.com/25-public-school-districts-use-childrens-book-that-depict-whiteness-as-evil/ https://thepostmillennial.com/25-public-school-districts-use... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-worst-examples-of-critical-race-theory-in-schools/ar-BB1g2M6l https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-worst-examples-of-crit... There's the first lovely one that literally has a picture of devil equating it to being white. Yes it's a conservative source, feel free to disprove it. Ibram X. Kendhi race grifting CRT stance has been implemented into curriculum in several school districts as well. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/24/north-carolina-school-ibram-kendi/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/24/north-carolina... The 1619 project has been accepted in many school districts https://www.newsweek.com/u-s-schools-have-openly-taught-1619-project-months-1530138 https://www.newsweek.com/u-s-schools-have-openly-taught-1619... Oh and you have this lovely teacher that accepted these racist ideas and decided to segregate her classroom based on race https://news.yahoo.com/atlanta-elementary-school-segregated-second-181732613.html https://news.yahoo.com/atlanta-elementary-school-segregated-... And don't bother with the CRT is a legal theory only taught in colleges. Yes that's the original source but all of this stuff present in k-12 is a downstream effect of that same thinking. Label it whatever you want, it's racist and needs to stop.

zorpner 5y ago

> I've also seen several examples of incredibly racist CRT books in classrooms. You mean to tell me that high-level academic critical theory is being taught to children? Please, name the books.

JaimeThompson 5y ago

Should religious texts which contain such things or related topics be removed as well?

hulitu 5y ago
Well, the bible has a lot of stories which shall not be teach to children.
UnFleshedOne 5y ago
Yes.
CountDrewku 5y ago
Depends on how they're being taught. If they're being used as examples of what a religion is then no. If they're being used like Lawn Boy to brainwash kids into thinking pedophilia is acceptable then no. Maybe you should ask whether you'd be ok with a religious class where we teach that everyone should be a good Christian? Let me know when the ACLU takes the same stance on LGBTQ books because right now I'd put them squarely in the same category as religion. People have a cult like adherence to LGBTQ ideology. https://www.aclu.org/other/statement-bible-public-schools-first-amendment-guide https://www.aclu.org/other/statement-bible-public-schools-fi...

ffggvv 5y ago

not to mention the same people in a huff over this are burning and banning dr seuss and huckleberry finn and tearing down statues of the founding fathers as racist.

aspenmayer 5y ago
Is there any debate about the founding fathers avowed racism, even under the historical standards of their time? What has changed, in the interim, is the social acceptability of racism, public or private. This shift away from racist beliefs or acts is an unqualified social good. Of course, you’re free to belief that the founding fathers weren’t racist, but I don’t think that there is much writing by them to that effect.
- ffggvv 5y ago
  i didn’t say they weren’t. i said the same people crying about book banning in this case are the most prolific censors themselves

coffeefirst 5y ago

Or we could teach critical thinking skills in schools. They’re going to hit college, or the Internet, or cable news, and find all kinds of totally bonkers ideas. Wouldn’t it make sense to prepare them to deal with dubious information?