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Any Facebook employee that wished to would surely find it trivial to use a VPS or something to mask their true location.
by Dyac 5y ago
Any Facebook employee that wished to would surely find it trivial to use a VPS or something to mask their true location.
- selectodude 5y agoPlaying games with your employer probably isn't the best idea if you're looking for a long term relationship with them.
- numpad0 5y agoI wouldn’t be so confident as to think Facebook won’t catch me lying for years.
- credit_guy 5y agoTechnology is not always the solution. If your employer asks you to affirm something, and you do that, and then cheat (because, let's say, cheating is technologically trivial), then you take a huge risk. A lot of people will not take that risk. It's enough to make example of 1 or 2 people who are caught, and the rest will fall in line in no time.
- netizen-936824 5y agoIs my opinion, the company is cheating the employee by paying them less for the same work just because they live somewhere else.
- jkljkljkl1 5y agoNo one forces employees to accept the terms offered edit: it's not cheating because the game is still of negotiation until it's in agreement, if you break an agreement, I see that as a cheat. No one made you accept the job or the pay.
- netizen-936824 5y ago'Nobody forced them into slavery, why didn't they just go somewhere else?'
- xyzzyz 5y agoPeople actually were forced into slavery, and actually are not forced to work for Facebook. Do you often exploit slaves as a rhetorical tool?
- netizen-936824 5y agoHave you heard of the concept of 'wage slavery'? People at the lowest paid tiers of society do not have a choice
- HideousKojima 5y agoSlavery, by its very definition, involves force. From Merriam-Webster's dictionary: Someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person without pay
- netizen-936824 5y agoThat's the point I was trying to make. Generally employees do not actually have much of a choice, if any. Especially if they have families to provide for so the distinction is rather moot
- HideousKojima 5y agoEmployees can find another job. Or they can choose to have no job, and potentially starve to death etc. But the latter is the default of the human condition, and has little to do with the whims of corporations.
- netizen-936824 5y agoAh yes they can just choose to starve to death! Couldn't slaves make the choice to be beaten to death or executed for not working? Thank you for proving my point
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y agoIt has never worked differently. If you want to average out the pay you'll be paid much more closer to Bangladeshi pay than to SV one.
- Gigachad 5y agoOne side fully presented the terms at the start. The other lied. If you don't like the terms, don't accept them. It isn't like facebook is the only employer.
- alasdair_ 5y agoIt’s more a legal thing. Companies have to follow the local labor laws and pay taxes to the appropriate states.
- refurb 5y agoNot sure the courts will really care about your opinion when there was an employment contract in place?
- enra 5y agoYou and the company still needs to know/decide which locale you get taxed in and which regulation to follow. Even in California, SF has different payroll taxes and regulation than other cities in the area. Massachusetts requires employers to open a unemployment account in state. If the employee moves to a state the employer doesn’t have a employees previously, you need to register in the state and it might mean you have to now pay sales taxes on revenue in the state. So unless you become an independent contractor and deal with this things yourself, the employer needs to know where you live most of the tax year.
- kgxkgxkhxoh 5y agoMore and more remote companies use PEOs. No need to incorporate in 50 states, you just pay someone else to.
- truffdog 5y agoI worked at a company that switched to a PEO, people seemed weirdly outraged.
- enra 5y agoWe use it too, but doesn't change the fact the the employer needs to tell the PEO where the employee is located. PEO also have limits, like MA example, the company still needs to open the unemployment accounts directly with the state. Sales tax is another thing that you have to do directly. My point was that main reason companies need to know where the employee is compliance, employment law, taxes and potentially IP protection. While the employer wouldn't care about the location because of pay scale, they still need to know for other reasons. Until we can all live in some United Kingdom of the Internet, the unfortunate fact is that local laws apply to companies and employees when the employee resides in the jurisdiction.
- sopooneo 5y agoI believe Facebook could catch them if it wanted.
- tenebrisalietum 5y agoFacebook probably has really good data on IP geolocation, probably much much better than anyone, both through data users willingly provide and data from attackers they are certain to be fending off constantly. They'll know you're on a VPS.
- inherently_juxt 5y agoDon't you have to give them your legal address when you start working for them?
- jjav 5y agoIt's not just the company caring for their own purposes (although there's that as well), there are external requirements which depend on the employee location which force them to need to know. Such as which taxes and how much they are required to deduct and even which health plan choices are available.