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MS are not the best at dogfooding. I think they even once released VS as WPF to prove it can be used in a real app. Anyway, my experience with VC++ and the pac

MS are not the best at dogfooding. I think they even once released VS as WPF to prove it can be used in a real app. Anyway, my experience with VC++ and the packages is that you get better control when shipping the dependencies separately. You can resolve the dependencies during installation but it is just more complex.

pjmlp 5y ago
More than once, that is VS still today since the 2010 rewrite.
- AtNightWeCode 5y ago
  Thought it was abandoned but it explains the poor quality of VS and all the constantly resurrecting bugs.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Not more not less of other IDEs.
    - AtNightWeCode 5y ago
      True, but then VS is a commercial product and a fairly expensive one. Seems like there are no automatic regression tests at all. Basic functions breaks all the time. Just a very poor quality piece of software for being a software targeting developers.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Ah you mean like the bugs I hit all the time on commercial IDEs like JetBrains products?
  - tester756 5y ago
    What do you mean? I feel like VS' GUI is somewhat decent
    - AtNightWeCode 5y ago
      The GUI in general is ok. Some features are not accessible by shortcuts though which I reported like a hundred years ago. Along with that, the states of the UI components in VS are sometimes not correct. For instance, the find feature. It changes constantly to Search within open files or. Something nobody ever want to use. The go forward, go back, feature breaks all the time. I do not even understand how to fail to implement this. Or how to break it. It is basically stack. ...
      - pierrebai 5y ago
        It's scriptable and you can assign shortcut key combo to anything, so... part ofthe blame falls back to you? Do you think VS designers should accommodate your particular needs and desire of a particular shortcut over the needs of all other users who participate in their beta and user feedback and instrumentation data?

pjmlp 5y ago

More than once, that is VS still today since the 2010 rewrite.

AtNightWeCode 5y ago
Thought it was abandoned but it explains the poor quality of VS and all the constantly resurrecting bugs.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Not more not less of other IDEs.
  - AtNightWeCode 5y ago
    True, but then VS is a commercial product and a fairly expensive one. Seems like there are no automatic regression tests at all. Basic functions breaks all the time. Just a very poor quality piece of software for being a software targeting developers.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Ah you mean like the bugs I hit all the time on commercial IDEs like JetBrains products?
- tester756 5y ago
  What do you mean? I feel like VS' GUI is somewhat decent
  - AtNightWeCode 5y ago
    The GUI in general is ok. Some features are not accessible by shortcuts though which I reported like a hundred years ago. Along with that, the states of the UI components in VS are sometimes not correct. For instance, the find feature. It changes constantly to Search within open files or. Something nobody ever want to use. The go forward, go back, feature breaks all the time. I do not even understand how to fail to implement this. Or how to break it. It is basically stack. ...
    - pierrebai 5y ago
      It's scriptable and you can assign shortcut key combo to anything, so... part ofthe blame falls back to you? Do you think VS designers should accommodate your particular needs and desire of a particular shortcut over the needs of all other users who participate in their beta and user feedback and instrumentation data?