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I agree. Even more: I saw vim users who manually edited dozens of files which could be done by running inspection by name on the entire project in IntelliJ. Eve

by suchar 5y ago

I agree. Even more: I saw vim users who manually edited dozens of files which could be done by running inspection by name on the entire project in IntelliJ. Even (questionably) superior text editing capabilities of vim won’t help here. I think many vim/emacs users are not aware of the functionality of modern IDEs and development speed is mostly defined by text editing speed. Sadly, many users of sophisticated IDEs also are not using these functions, so the experienced vim user will likely be more performant than inexperienced IDE user.

titaniczero 5y ago
As long as your LSP server support it, you can rename it with LSP and it's the same than your rename function in IntelliJ on Neovim. Actually in most languages I use the same LSP server than vscode. I switched from Vscode/Intellij to Neovim +1 year ago and I couldn't be happier. I get why Neovim/Vim/Emacs is not for everyone tho.
- suchar 5y ago
  Well, this is exactly what I meant: you need to know your tools. Rename is very basic functionality. What makes real difference is, for example, automatic removal of unused variables/classes (quickly search for all occurrences, review the list, and then apply). Or rewrite some deprecated construct with a new one. Or structural search and replace (works on a code structure, not text). There is way more to a fantastic language support in an IDE than symbol rename.
  - titaniczero 5y ago
    I mean, all the features you're mentioning here are part of the LSP server, in the future I think this will be even more consistent across editors because the new languages like Go, Rust, etc. provide better integration tools and LSP servers so the IDEs and editors just use this server instead of implementing one for each language by themselves. If you use the same LSP it will be the same more or less but yeah, the average IDE user doesn't even know what is LSP because they don't need to. This is similar to MacOS/Windows vs Arch Linux. If you love building and tweaking things, custom builds to suit your needs, knowing every tool that is present in your editor and/or extending it, terminal editors and arch linux is for you, if you prefer something pre-configured that just works out of the box then IDEs and MacOS/Windows is way better ofc. But I don't think that we, the vim/emacs/neovim users, stick to our editors because we are not aware of the capabilities of other IDEs. We are very aware, we are very advanced users in most cases.

by suchar 5y ago

titaniczero 5y ago

As long as your LSP server support it, you can rename it with LSP and it's the same than your rename function in IntelliJ on Neovim. Actually in most languages I use the same LSP server than vscode. I switched from Vscode/Intellij to Neovim +1 year ago and I couldn't be happier. I get why Neovim/Vim/Emacs is not for everyone tho.

suchar 5y ago
Well, this is exactly what I meant: you need to know your tools. Rename is very basic functionality. What makes real difference is, for example, automatic removal of unused variables/classes (quickly search for all occurrences, review the list, and then apply). Or rewrite some deprecated construct with a new one. Or structural search and replace (works on a code structure, not text). There is way more to a fantastic language support in an IDE than symbol rename.
- titaniczero 5y ago
  I mean, all the features you're mentioning here are part of the LSP server, in the future I think this will be even more consistent across editors because the new languages like Go, Rust, etc. provide better integration tools and LSP servers so the IDEs and editors just use this server instead of implementing one for each language by themselves. If you use the same LSP it will be the same more or less but yeah, the average IDE user doesn't even know what is LSP because they don't need to. This is similar to MacOS/Windows vs Arch Linux. If you love building and tweaking things, custom builds to suit your needs, knowing every tool that is present in your editor and/or extending it, terminal editors and arch linux is for you, if you prefer something pre-configured that just works out of the box then IDEs and MacOS/Windows is way better ofc. But I don't think that we, the vim/emacs/neovim users, stick to our editors because we are not aware of the capabilities of other IDEs. We are very aware, we are very advanced users in most cases.