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Seems like you think your employer should trust you but you don't trust them? Not every employer is a nightmare. If you think of it as a partnership (and you ha

Seems like you think your employer should trust you but you don't trust them? Not every employer is a nightmare. If you think of it as a partnership (and you have the right employer), work is much more rewarding.

rapnie 5y ago
If only it works like that. Maybe you find yourself lucky with a manager that looks at your productivity stats with all warm and fuzzy feelings, but the manager above that sees only ROI, and in your review that productivity dip a 3 o'clock stands out. If you don't have this now, then YAGNI.
wing-_-nuts 5y ago
An employer is a soulless construct that exists for the purpose of extracting as much value from the world as possible in order to deliver it to shareholders. I hesitate to call it 'psychopathic' but it's not at all bound by human morals. Trusting any given company is akin to trusting a snake not to bite you if your hand smells like a mouse. You might like to think there is some affection there, but you're simply anthropomorphizing something which is incapable of more than its nature.
- HatchedLake721 5y ago
  Such a toxic attitude can go two ways. Isn't then an employee a soulful being that exists for the purpose of extracting as much value from the employer as possible with the least amount of work delivered to only provide value to itself in a form of an end-of-month salary? Employers and companies are built of people. Calling them a soulless construct and pretending everyone in the world is out there to get you is not a healthy attitude.
  - kubanczyk 5y ago
    To ease on the toxicity, I think I would replace the grandparent's argument by this: The employee is one person, which you can choose to trust or not. The employer are multiple people. Of these, maybe dozens or hundreds can impact employee's work. You can trust all of them or not. This is the crucial difference.
  - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
    I see it as realistic, not toxic. A single employee is a human that has greed as one of their drives. Not everything is about money. I'm quite certain I could earn more if I applied elsewhere, but my current company is a nice place to be. On the other hand, a company is an entity almost singularly driven by the need to maximize profit for shareholders. I have seen multiple teams work months of crunch time, only to be cut loose shortly after they delivered for the sake of 'streamlining'. Now, did the management who did the firing agree with that course of action? Heck no! They were livid. Many walked. But the C suite decision makers found cost savings that would give them fat bonuses and decisions were made. I often wonder why the same people who are so hesitant to trust government turn right around and blindly trust corporations. The snake is not evil. The snake is a snake. Calling this view toxic or unhealthy does not change the facts on the ground.
pydry 5y ago
Employment becomes a partnership when you are rich and have in-demand skills, not when you have a personal epiphany about the nature of work. IME employers can actually sense this when it happens and a lot of the ridiculous bullshit you would otherwise have to put up with melts away. You ain't ever being a partner working on the checkout tills at walmart ;-)

rapnie 5y ago

If only it works like that. Maybe you find yourself lucky with a manager that looks at your productivity stats with all warm and fuzzy feelings, but the manager above that sees only ROI, and in your review that productivity dip a 3 o'clock stands out. If you don't have this now, then YAGNI.

wing-_-nuts 5y ago

An employer is a soulless construct that exists for the purpose of extracting as much value from the world as possible in order to deliver it to shareholders. I hesitate to call it 'psychopathic' but it's not at all bound by human morals. Trusting any given company is akin to trusting a snake not to bite you if your hand smells like a mouse. You might like to think there is some affection there, but you're simply anthropomorphizing something which is incapable of more than its nature.

HatchedLake721 5y ago
Such a toxic attitude can go two ways. Isn't then an employee a soulful being that exists for the purpose of extracting as much value from the employer as possible with the least amount of work delivered to only provide value to itself in a form of an end-of-month salary? Employers and companies are built of people. Calling them a soulless construct and pretending everyone in the world is out there to get you is not a healthy attitude.
- kubanczyk 5y ago
  To ease on the toxicity, I think I would replace the grandparent's argument by this: The employee is one person, which you can choose to trust or not. The employer are multiple people. Of these, maybe dozens or hundreds can impact employee's work. You can trust all of them or not. This is the crucial difference.
- wing-_-nuts 5y ago
  I see it as realistic, not toxic. A single employee is a human that has greed as one of their drives. Not everything is about money. I'm quite certain I could earn more if I applied elsewhere, but my current company is a nice place to be. On the other hand, a company is an entity almost singularly driven by the need to maximize profit for shareholders. I have seen multiple teams work months of crunch time, only to be cut loose shortly after they delivered for the sake of 'streamlining'. Now, did the management who did the firing agree with that course of action? Heck no! They were livid. Many walked. But the C suite decision makers found cost savings that would give them fat bonuses and decisions were made. I often wonder why the same people who are so hesitant to trust government turn right around and blindly trust corporations. The snake is not evil. The snake is a snake. Calling this view toxic or unhealthy does not change the facts on the ground.

pydry 5y ago

Employment becomes a partnership when you are rich and have in-demand skills, not when you have a personal epiphany about the nature of work. IME employers can actually sense this when it happens and a lot of the ridiculous bullshit you would otherwise have to put up with melts away. You ain't ever being a partner working on the checkout tills at walmart ;-)