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Let's cut the bullshit and get straight to the heart here. Are black people, in your opinion, predisposed to be bad at math? If yes, then i guess your opinion i

Let's cut the bullshit and get straight to the heart here. Are black people, in your opinion, predisposed to be bad at math? If yes, then i guess your opinion is at least logically consistent. If no, then why are they (according to the article at least) underachieving? If black kids aren't being served by the current curriculum, then I think it's reasonable to assume that some white kids aren't either. I suggest that certain kids are being served poorly by the current system. If those kids were served better we could lift the floor, which would enable the high achievers to reach even further. If you have 100 high achievers it's much more likely that one of them will produce a breakthrough than if you have 10.

userbinator 5y ago
Regardless of which side of the race-intelligence debate you're on, this will only widen the inequality. If you want blacks to achieve more, you should be investing more in their education. Not making things easier for everyone because then they will just continue to underachieve while those who can afford private schooling and such continue to excel.
- dopamean 5y ago
  Wait a sec... you almost sound like you think there are legitimate different sides to the "race-intelligence debate."
  - candiodari 5y ago
    Yes, there is the Californian position, which is really very racist. Even more than outright saying there are racial differences in intelligence. Why? These actions will: 1) HIDE the difference from the weaker students (whether black, or poor, or ... we can abstract about which exact group you think is less capable here) 2) take away the opportunity these classes give children to work to compensate In IQ studies it is reported diligent work can increase your aptitude by slightly above 2 standard deviations, if you start young enough. That would imply that with enough support some mentally retarded people (which starts at IQ ~85) can be taught up to above normal intelligence (IQ ~105) Both factors of course increase whatever innate differences exist. I find it very hard to believe these people working for California, who have studied pedagogy, would not be aware of this. So you can be very sure they are purposefully working to hide the difference. Well, until these kids try university, or to find a job. Then it can't be hidden anymore. Also, then it'll be much more difficult for them to do anything about it. So this is very much about denying kids opportunities, for the personal gain of the people implementing these policies.

userbinator 5y ago

Regardless of which side of the race-intelligence debate you're on, this will only widen the inequality. If you want blacks to achieve more, you should be investing more in their education. Not making things easier for everyone because then they will just continue to underachieve while those who can afford private schooling and such continue to excel.

dopamean 5y ago
Wait a sec... you almost sound like you think there are legitimate different sides to the "race-intelligence debate."
- candiodari 5y ago
  Yes, there is the Californian position, which is really very racist. Even more than outright saying there are racial differences in intelligence. Why? These actions will: 1) HIDE the difference from the weaker students (whether black, or poor, or ... we can abstract about which exact group you think is less capable here) 2) take away the opportunity these classes give children to work to compensate In IQ studies it is reported diligent work can increase your aptitude by slightly above 2 standard deviations, if you start young enough. That would imply that with enough support some mentally retarded people (which starts at IQ ~85) can be taught up to above normal intelligence (IQ ~105) Both factors of course increase whatever innate differences exist. I find it very hard to believe these people working for California, who have studied pedagogy, would not be aware of this. So you can be very sure they are purposefully working to hide the difference. Well, until these kids try university, or to find a job. Then it can't be hidden anymore. Also, then it'll be much more difficult for them to do anything about it. So this is very much about denying kids opportunities, for the personal gain of the people implementing these policies.